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Old 10-25-2011, 06:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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No. But I often see people's confusion about this in metal, especially death metal. People call Death, Cynic, and Atheist progressive death metal when in reality they're just technical. The only Death album that has slight progressive influences is The Sound Of Perseverance. But even then, it's not progressive.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Im waiting for someone to look into my comment about The Allman Brothers, someone who knows their music.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:49 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Im waiting for someone to look into my comment about The Allman Brothers, someone who knows their music.
I seen your comment a couple of times, and the only conclusion is that Allman Brothers more than likely did play prog music with certain songs they wrote (when) writing albums, as so is the same for most all other rock bands as well.

Greg Allman is the Brother Ive personally always liked in the Allman Brothers "Mid Night Rider", "I'm No Angel". Theres a couple more solo songs I like of Greg Allman in the 80s. Just cant think of them at the moment.
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:11 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Well, think about the term progressive itself. It's used to denote a way of actively thinking outside of established parameters and formulas. in music, as well as in other facets of art and culture, we recognize a style or genre when we see certain recurrent themes creating a criteria for its designation. As it usually happens, someone progressively sets the bar and others follow adhering to the formula that's been established.

The case of progressive rock seems to bee that there are innovators and there are duplicators within the genre, but as a whole, the genre of progressive rock tends to be a platform for greater musical creativity, because it highlights intellectual and artistic concept, innovation and musicianship over following a formula, which is very simple to follow and be prolific with.
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Old 10-26-2011, 03:55 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Well the Allman Brothers were certainly one of the most technical blues based bands. I think theyre pretty underrated, mostly to the youth of today. Every kid knows led zeppelin, but not many know of the allman brothers. And the allman brothers were better in my opinion.

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Old 10-26-2011, 02:31 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Well the Allman Brothers were certainly one of the most technical blues based bands. I think theyre pretty underrated, mostly to the youth of today. Every kid knows led zeppelin, but not many know of the allman brothers. And the allman brothers were better in my opinion.
Unfortunately I beg to differ...
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Old 10-26-2011, 02:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
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theres no doubt that zeppelin is more known to kids today. The Allman Brothers were more technical in their approach to writing music. sure, Jimmy Page would bust out some fast solos, but that doesnt make them more technical. The Allmans used more complex time signatures. They incorporated Jazz and Classical influences in their music. Zeppelin was more pop, especially with songs like whole lotta love and dazed and confused. Not to mention they plagiarized those songs, but thats another story.

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Old 10-26-2011, 03:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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theres no doubt that zeppelin is more known to kids today. The Allman Brothers were more technical in their approach to writing music. sure, Jimmy Page would bust out some fast solos, but that doesnt make them more technical. The Allmans used more complex time signatures. They incorporated Jazz and Classical influences in their music. Zeppelin was more pop, especially with songs like whole lotta love and dazed and confused. Not to mention they plagiarized those songs, but thats another story.
With that said, one could argue that Zeppelin was more 'progressive' even if blatant song thieves. Allmans might be more technical but would be more dry, and blatant in their output. Zeppelin experimented in a myriad of unconventional instruments in recording, extended technique, etc.

Songs like Kashmir, No Quarter, etc. prove that the band was much more about studio depth, and songwriting, than actual chord technique. Zep were exceptionally proficient in studio, along with technical, which really set them apart from most mainstream bands from the 1970s, even good ones, that play very complex music by today's standards, but sound much older. I imagine for their time, Zeppelin sounded fairly future looking.

Which brings us to the original point, it's kind of unfair how prog is blandly stereotyped as anything that's complex.
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Old 10-26-2011, 03:55 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Personally, and I know that I may contradict popular opinion, I feel progressive rock should be largely composed and played by a rock band or at least contain some rock instrumentation. I would be hesitant to call a band who only improvised on wind instruments rock anything. I do realize there are times when such bands can play in a way which still makes them sort of rock-y (Apocalyptica comes to mind), but when they don't, I am particularly hesitant to call it prog rock. On that note, I personally am a bit hesitant to call Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom (mentioned in my previous post) prog rock. It's certainly avantgarde and progressive in a sense, but where's the rock?
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:17 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Right, but one could argue that many prog bands are 50% or more Jazz, or classical than rock. I mean, what makes them particularly rock, anyway?
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