60s/70s Prog VS Psych Smackdown

The Batlord · 08-01-2017, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriphiel

I choose Same.

Same.

~~vambo~~ · 08-01-2017, 04:13 PM

I would give the match over to True Myth.
Very good prog with vocalist sounding exactly like Greg Lake. (Not to mention the lp has sound engineering history.)

Plastic Cloud is, of course, legendary psych lp but, other than the first track, it is fuzz-overkill and thus samey throughout.

So then,as much as I lurv psychedelic music, prog has won out - at least on my submissions.

If you can think up a match where psych clearly comes out the winner, please enlighten.

**Frownland** · 08-01-2017, 04:16 PM

United States of America - United States of America

vs.

Yes - Tormato

~~vambo~~ · 08-01-2017, 04:22 PM

YES Tormato is much-maligned by progheads for a few reasons:

some take certain lyrics (like the "Circus of Heaven" track) to be sickly-sweet

poor production

Wakeman insisting on using rinky-dink keys-sounds that get dated quickly. (I never understood the reasoning behind his obvious low-profiling of the Hammond.) Wakiepoos was pushing his fancy Biotron at that time and he had put money into it. That is likely the reason for that irritating high-pitch , low depth keys sound through much of Tormato.

All the same, there are excellent tracks here - "Dont Kill The Whale", "Release Release" is a good rocker. And one of their strongest lp endings.

**Frownland** · 08-01-2017, 04:26 PM

I bought a dollar bin copy of it years ago and always thought it sounded like they were just phoning it in to fulfill a contract they were trying to get out of, whereas USA is a perfect record on every level.

~~vambo~~ · 08-01-2017, 04:29 PM

United States like Silver Apples and - the best of the three - 50 Foot hose,
are terribly over-rated lps.

Simply because they were amongst the earliest to play with electronic effects, does not guarantee anything. Being the first entering an otherwise virgin field does not count for much in my book - other than serving as fodder to push "firsts" on music fora discussions.(Of which, admittedly, I myself am much guilty of.)

Way better on the early electronics-to-pop/rock front, were White Noise.

Mondo Bungle · 08-01-2017, 04:29 PM

perfect album vs bad album

**Frownland** · 08-01-2017, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vambo

Simply because they were amongst the earliest to play with electronic effects, does not guarantee anything. Being the first entering an otherwise virgin field does not count for much in my book - other than serving as fodder to push "firsts" on music fora discussions.(Of which, admittedly, I myself am much guilty of.)

That's cool I guess, I don't really rate them based on that though. How much does brilliant music count for in your book?

I say that White Noise are as good as USA.

~~vambo~~ · 08-01-2017, 04:39 PM

White Noise had two members who were grounded in electronics of the period - at one of the best learning grounds available in those thin early times: BBC Radiophonic Workshop.

United States on the other hand were just diddling around.

....

Brilliant counts for everything.
The orchestrated ballad "Onwards" going into
"On The Silent Wings of Freedom" on Tormato...now that IS brilliant.

Oriphiel · 08-01-2017, 04:41 PM

Here Come the Fleas is beautiful.

08-01-2017, 04:16 PM	#33 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	United States of America - United States of America vs. Yes - Tormato __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-01-2017, 04:22 PM	#34 (permalink)
~~vambo~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 102	YES Tormato is much-maligned by progheads for a few reasons: some take certain lyrics (like the "Circus of Heaven" track) to be sickly-sweet poor production Wakeman insisting on using rinky-dink keys-sounds that get dated quickly. (I never understood the reasoning behind his obvious low-profiling of the Hammond.) Wakiepoos was pushing his fancy Biotron at that time and he had put money into it. That is likely the reason for that irritating high-pitch , low depth keys sound through much of Tormato. All the same, there are excellent tracks here - "Dont Kill The Whale", "Release Release" is a good rocker. And one of their strongest lp endings. Last edited by vambo; 08-01-2017 at 04:44 PM.

08-01-2017, 04:26 PM	#35 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I bought a dollar bin copy of it years ago and always thought it sounded like they were just phoning it in to fulfill a contract they were trying to get out of, whereas USA is a perfect record on every level. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,355	Here Come the Fleas is beautiful. __________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------

08-01-2017, 04:13 PM	#32 (permalink)
~~vambo~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 102	I would give the match over to True Myth. Very good prog with vocalist sounding exactly like Greg Lake. (Not to mention the lp has sound engineering history.) Plastic Cloud is, of course, legendary psych lp but, other than the first track, it is fuzz-overkill and thus samey throughout. So then,as much as I lurv psychedelic music, prog has won out - at least on my submissions. If you can think up a match where psych clearly comes out the winner, please enlighten.

08-01-2017, 04:29 PM	#36 (permalink)
~~vambo~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 102	United States like Silver Apples and - the best of the three - 50 Foot hose, are terribly over-rated lps. Simply because they were amongst the earliest to play with electronic effects, does not guarantee anything. Being the first entering an otherwise virgin field does not count for much in my book - other than serving as fodder to push "firsts" on music fora discussions.(Of which, admittedly, I myself am much guilty of.) Way better on the early electronics-to-pop/rock front, were White Noise.

08-01-2017, 04:39 PM	#39 (permalink)
~~vambo~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 102	White Noise had two members who were grounded in electronics of the period - at one of the best learning grounds available in those thin early times: BBC Radiophonic Workshop. United States on the other hand were just diddling around. .... Brilliant counts for everything. The orchestrated ballad "Onwards" going into "On The Silent Wings of Freedom" on Tormato...now that IS brilliant.