Nea, I honestly don't give two ****s about Abacab, and I certainly wouldn't make a thread to bash either it, or you. I made this because an interesting Genesis discussion was developing in a thread in which it was in danger (that's a lot of "in"s, isn't it?) of taking over, and I thought well if people want to talk about my second-favourite band, let's make a thread. The fact that so many of my Bottom Top Ten come from that album only reflects how little I rate it, though there are songs on it I like, mostly on the first side.

Now can we push the Abacab war to one side and concentrate on the rest of the great Genesis music we have to talk about and enjoy, please?

It's time to reveal......
Trollheart's Genesis Top Ten
NUMBER ONE!!!!

"Supper's Ready" - Foxtrot (1972)
The very first prog epic (possibly even the first epic track) I ever heard. I could not believe that a song could last over twenty minutes and still not flag for one instant. I heard the live version first and it made me a fan of Genesis in a moment (well, twenty-three minutes and change) and a lifelong fan of prog rock in general. Indubitably unassailable.

As for the other end of things, well, it could only be one album, couldn't it?

Trollheart's Genesis Bottom Ten
Number One

"Whodunnit" - Abacab (1981)

What a completely pointless song. They must have thrown it together in about ten seconds. I think there are like four lines in the lyric, the chorus is ridiculous, the music is about as Genesis as Devo, and, well, it's just total crap from beginning to end. For me, the very nadir of Genesis's worst moments, and the point at which I seriously considered stopping listening to them. Whodunnit? You did, you bunch of twats! How could you?

This one's my least favorite. Maybe my all time worst video-period.

Troll, great pick for #1!

Check this out when you have a half hour to spare.



Right up there with Supper's Ready as far as epic prog goes.

Oh I know that one. Great track. Still go back and forth with Spock's Beard; have yet to hear an album I'd consider listening to all the way through more than once though. Octane is pretty solid, and V I think.

Since we're throwing out recs...

I love the prog I liked as a kid but I never seem to enjoy discovering new prog stuff. I wonder if I have some kind of mental block or if there’s really not very much good prog.

Oh it's out there, believe me.

Check out The Flower Kings.

Check out Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep. Maybe their most cohesive album. But I hear what you're saying.