At least then they weren't 30-year-olds trying to make a comeback. Sure, they're trying to be rebellious on Dookie, and it's cheesy as hell. But it's also (somehow) more musically honest, in my opinion.

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This is just another case of fans not liking their bands to change and grow over time. Even thought they were being rebellious on American Idiot it was formulated so much better with less of the angst.

To defend myself - when I first discovered Green Day, it was only right before they announced their trilogy. I never got to see them change. Also, I do enjoy some of their newer songs, especially from iTre!.

Are you guys seriously arguing the merits of Green Day? :rofl:

Okay that's understandable.

Too be honest American Idiot has a similar meaning behind it as albums like Dookie and Kerplunk. American idiot might disguise itself as being all about **** politics and war, but if you look deeper its really a story about a teenager (most likely billie joe) finding himself and who he is. dookie is more of billie joe talking about situations in his life, american idiot is a story showing a more general idea of what happened to his life.

I think its an old story just put in a refreshing new style. Imagine if they made another album in the same style as dookie.. it'd just be boring to listen to the same **** again.

Just my opinion

Yep. The way they matured from a pop punk band that sang about teenagers and their problems (and was great) to a popular pop band that is able to even do some social criticism (and is still great) is what makes them special.
Sadly, while 21st Century Breakdown was good, they have been losing it recently. I mean, they should have made one great album instead of three average ones.

Just my humble opinion. Do not crucify me.

Yeah that is true, I still like their songs, but it's a shame they veered so close towards pop songs,though that's kinda where they were going though after American Idiot tbh. And they didn't take the time to perfect a rock opera like AI. AI was amazing cos of the way the music told a story. The latest 3 you can tell are them just messing around in the studio.

Green Day DOOKIE
 

Dookie. 1994. Three Oakland kids work revolutionized and brought back punk in the US. How do you think it fared?:hphones:

Good album in MANY ways.

Most likely yes

Kiddish in a way but great fun to listen to even today.

As you can tell by the username, all time favorite band. From 39/Smooth to Uno! Dos! Tre! Listen to it all though I mostly prefer their older stuff. Personal favorite song is probably Christie Road from the Kerplunk album.

As long as you don't prefer 21st Century Breakdown, there's hope for you. Kerplunk! is my favorite.

It's honestly the one album I don't care much for. It's not the same feel as their other albums. Dookie's probably my favorite, with Kerplunk in second and Insomniac, American Idiot, and 1039/Smoothed out Slappy Hours rounding out my top 5.

Dookie is probably my favorite album by them, if not of the 90's... in terms of nostalgic influence and all that jazz.

Green Day and Nirvana always battled it out for my favorite band that supplied the soundtrack to my teenage angst. I think "Dookie" is miles ahead of "Nevermind" in terms of listening to them still.

Dookie was juvenile and fun, had a lot of hooks and is just a fun album to listen to.

Only album I may rank a bit higher in terms of albums that make me nostalgic for those years is Weezer - Blue.

Which? "Dookie"?

I do not think this is the case, or what they were going for. To me "Dookie" was just as great as "Kerplunk!", but the only difference was that they had a bigger budget to do it, and more room to make something sound just right.

"Kerplunk!" is also my favorite, it is a stripped down version of what "Dookie" was, and it worked well. "2000 Light Years Away", "Christy Road", "80", "One of my Lies" and "Welcome to Paradise" are easily amongst their best songs.

But, I dunno, it was just the right time for me when "Dookie" came out, I was 13 and it had references to masturbation and a juvenile snotty feel that just made sense to me at that time.

I think depth is not what they were going for on that really, just a fun album with great production values that they probably never expected would become the success it did.

insomniac
 

loved dookie. But Insomniac should have done better. Geek Stink Breath, 86, Brat, No Pride, Walking Contradiction, all gr8 songs. I REALLY THINK INSOMNIAC SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT DOOKIE..

To me, "Insomniac" just felt like an album of songs that could have been recorded during the sessions, but were not used. Also had my favorite Green Day song of all-time.



It felt rushed, I think it was out within a year of "Dookie" being released, seems like it was just one of those albums that the studio told them to put out ASAP cause they had an unexpected hit with "Dookie" and thought they could capitalize on it by getting it out ASAP.

But I liked it a lot when it came out, it had a more dark side to it, still had some of the goofiness from "Dookie", but also had a more abrasive tone to it.

Up until "American Idiot", it was their second best selling album after "Dookie". Did not match the sales of that album, but was not a total waste either.

I like it just as much in its own way. I would go "Kerplunk!" > "Dookie" > "Insomniac" as my top 3 Green Day albums.

Weezer's blue album is really good. So was makebelieve.

The bassline in the song Stuart and the Ave. is one of my all time favorites.

It is a gooder. I like Mike Dirnt as a bassist.

Yeah, to me Weezer took a nose dive when Matt Sharp parted ways. They had some moments, but overall Matt contributed so much to their formula. I remember first hearing the Green Album and I was not impressed.

Blue and Pinkerton just get me more in the mood. As did "Return of the Rentals", which I think is a super fun album.

I honestly like 21st century breakdown as much as American Idiot. Call me mad if you want but I can't get people who praise Idiot and put it's follow up down.

Thats exactly where they fell off. Matt was really the most integral part of that band and it showed in their follow ups. I can't imagine dealing with the ego of Rivers.

Dookie is Green Day's best album in my opinion. I'm a big fan of their pre-American Idiot sound though.

39/Smooth vs Kerplunk
 

I actually think 39/Smooth sounds better than Kerplunk in terms of production quality and overall sound. I especially think the guitar sounds better. However, Kerplunk's songs are more like Green Day's Dookie pop-punk sound.

Is it just me or do you guys think so too?

I cant believe the RHOF nominated them. There so overrated

I haven't actually listened to them for years but I think they are a good 3 piece band. And you have to give them credit for longevity. They've been around since the early to mid nineties I believe.

You are right but what impact have they made on rock music to get inducted in the hall?

There 00's music sounds very cheesy to me. Maybe I should listen to their 90's material. I think there are more deserving artists that should get inducted before them.

They were unique in the punk rock style they emulated with their music and stage presence. Although I find one outgrows their music quickly. The same is with most punk rock for me personally anyway. I find it boring after a short period of time.

Their early stuff is a lot of fun. Mike Dirnt's actually a pretty decent bassist but he really got overshadowed as they got more popular. Their later releases barely had him in the mix. I guess my issue with them is... they grew up here, in SF/the Bay Area, played shows with the likes of FILTH and BLATZ at the Gilman. They never wrote songs about anything but having fun and being young but now Billie's a total rockstar douchebag. I equate them to Nirvana in that they definitely wrote some great songs but they've become overplayed. And they definitely don't deserve to be in the RHOF... they might celebrities but they didn't do much for the music world. Making it big playing watered down mallpunk is hardly an accomplishment, blissful as those early records were.

Soo... I listened to the trilogy a couple of days ago. Soulless, cheesy and boring. Anyone else listened to the new ones?

I just wanted to say that I read the first few pages of this thread, and it served as no surprise that those who were praising this 'punk' band that some were hilariously called an 'emo' band (I really laughed out loud, that somebody actually thinks that Green Day is an emo band...) seemed to be still in high school and in their teens. That explains the adoration.

They're a nominee in the Rock Hall Of Fame purely for the fact of how long they've been around, their massive fanbase, and amount of albums sold. What more could it be based on? There's nothing really impressive musically, whatsoever. I understand Nine Inch Nails being a nominee, an impressive body of work with that band (well, it's been mainly Trent Reznor doing everything since the bands inception when Richard Patrick of Filter and Marylin Manson were in the band as guitarists...) But, why Green Day other than the reason I mentioned? Popularity, popularity, popularity...contest. That's why for the most part I ignore this once respectable thing called The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. It's a joke anymore...

I hated the trilogy, actually. I was expecting the last album to be good, since they claimed it was a return to the origins, but it was quite bad too.
I did however loved the 20th Century Breakdown one though (I even bought a T-shirt of it :v) I love conceptual albums like that though.
I found it to be superior to American Idiot, at least.

American Idiot is my favorite of their albums.

This is everything I feared after seeing the brutal battle on Twitter between people who I felt were taking the dunk opportunities to show off, and the die-hards who said this was "won of their best."

Call me a boomer, but I'm going to listen to Dookie.

Not a boomer, just a millennial maybe. I was eight years old when Dookie came out and my aunt dubbed it to a cassette and photocopied the liner notes for me, so that would have actually been my first punk album if I'm not counting the Clash or Ramones LPs that my mom had