^ actually, I have to agree with you on this one, so far I actually haven't seen any facts (or very few, I've just skimmed over the thread). Plus, do we really need another political debate thread? we already have 2 in the lounge, so I really hope we can just let this one die and stick with those, two threads is already more than enough. There's only so many times we can debate the same issue with the same arguments (from both sides) over and over and over again.