The Punk Education Thread

[SGR]

Originally Posted by Ayn Marx

I’ll try anything once (apart from ICE and sex with animals). Either being cursed with perfect pitch or just plain musical snobbery means I can’t handle some forms of music. I have the same reaction to Dixieland Jazz and 99% of musicals.

What's wrong with ice? Always works wonders to keep my drinks cold.

But yeah, don't write off punk so quickly - definitely at least try some post-punk.

Here's a couple great ones:





And have you listened to The Fall before? If not, you definitely have to - if you want to be one of the cool kids, at least.

[elphenor]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

No Ayn's tastes are good but just limited because of ignorance

limited by having a bad ear

imagine all the money he's wasted on bad music

[The Batlord]

Elph is shaking cause of the dixieland disrespect.

[elphenor]

the idea that perfect pitch would disqualify you from enjoying punk makes me think he's full of **** on that too

perfect pitch is more of a party trick than anything meaningful musically

[Frownland]

Nah it's incredibly useful for improvisation and sight reading.

[jadis]

Originally Posted by Ayn Marx

I’ll try anything once (apart from ICE and sex with animals). Either being cursed with perfect pitch or just plain musical snobbery means I can’t handle some forms of music. I have the same reaction to Dixieland Jazz and 99% of musicals.

Having a perfect pitch has very little to do with one's musical ability or taste. Wagner, Schumann and Leonard Bernstein didn't have it, you and I do have it. Nuff said.

Identifying the notes helps you a lot in basic solfege, which is why it's so highly prized by music teachers who work with beginners, and it allows proud moms to fantasize that their precious darlings are musical geniuses. Being able to identify individual notes has nothing to do with the way in which these notes go together, which is where music comes in. Nothing to do with being able to compose or perform, no more than winning a spelling bee has any relation to being a talented writer.

Your preference for euphonious, bland, non-offending sonorities has to do with many factors, i.e. cultural, temperamental, generational etc. The absolute pitch is an acoustic factor, not even a musical one.

Originally Posted by elphenor

you're not a snob, you just have bad tastes

sorry to break that to you

He's a snob alright in the sense that he tries to ape the tastes of those he perceive as his superiors in the hope of passing himself off as one of them. I agree that he has atrocious taste though.

Originally Posted by Frownland

Nah it's incredibly useful for improvisation and sight reading.

In my experience it only hindered me in those things. I had a cheat code when it came to solfege/music theory, unlike those who actually had to memorize and understand chord sequences. There were kids who were so much better than me at both improvising and sight reading on the piano despite me having both the perfect pitch and higher technical facility due to starting early and studying with Soviet teachers.

[jadis]

Originally Posted by SGR

And have you listened to The Fall before? If not, you definitely have to - if you want to be one of the cool kids, at least.

In addition to everything else, the perfect album cover and the perfect album title. "Perverted by language", so Lacanian. "From the Freudian point of view, man is the subject captured and tortured by language."

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by jadis

He's a snob alright in the sense that he tries to ape the tastes of those he perceive as his superiors in the hope of passing himself off as one of them. I agree that he has atrocious taste though.

naw he likes Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush

[elphenor]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Nah it's incredibly useful for improvisation and sight reading.

I imagine it's convenient

but most everyone just uses relative pitch

[Ayn Marx]

Originally Posted by elphenor

you're not a snob, you just have bad tastes

sorry to break that to you

One man’s meat is another man’s poison.