I don't support it at all. It's death metal and the guitar work is vicious. I am in no way racist or homophobic, but I find myself enjoying the actualy music. I can't understand a thing he says anyway. Will I ever buy a shirt? No. A CD? No. But the song "The Purging Fires Of War" is such a good driving song!

Ok, I have a passion for music. I'm going to continue to listen to Skredriver occasionally as I always do but I really don't expect to get called a racist for it. Just as I listen to The Dicks or Big Boys I wouldn't expect to be called a homosexual or listening to Bad Brains a homophobe.

I know I said I wouldn't post in this thread again but this is important. That is exactly how I feel about Skredriver put into "better terms".

Thats another thing Fenix you've said Bad Brains are one of your favorite bands (proof). Kind of having double-standards here aren't ya?

If you like the music, listen to the band. That's what it all comes down to i guess. I love Bad Brains to death, despite their homophobic beliefs. I'd just be denying myself if i didnt listen to them.

I have never listened to Skrewdriver.

Having read this thread through, there is an obvious difference of opinion as to whether listening to a racist band constitutes a person as being racist, or not.

I believe listening to a racist band, does not make that person a racist.
Personally I wouldn't give them the time of day in the first place.

And taking into consideration the fact that fellow moderators have entered the debate with their opinions, I'm going to stay neutral and moderate this thread (and it needs to be) to the letter.

As from now, anyone violating MusicBanter Rules, on this thread, will be dealt with according to those rules.
I strongly recommend reading them thoroughly before posting.

This has got to be the single most idiotic thing I have ever read on this forum. Where are you from, may I ask? Your country? Is it really your country? What gives YOU the right to be there, but not all these black people who are going to mug all the poor innocent white trash like you? Do they have less of a right to be there than some ignorant racist nazi like you? I would rather have my country filled with suicidal radical muslim extremists than you any day of the week.

Getting paid for nothing?

Are there not any white people on unemployment?
Are there no Asians on unemployment?

You would rather the unemployment money go towards white people than black? Is that what you were trying to say? I'll take a wild guess and say you are from South Africa.

Maybe you are the one that needs to be dragged out and shot.
Coward.

Wow. Bad karma in this thread. I'm outta here.

Having this thread calm down allot, I'm not going to be aggressive or flame anyone, I hope I can sort this out now and continue discussion?

Here it goes, I live In England, UK, I'm not sure about the rest of England, but I know that in Bristol (big country) there are allot of immigrants (some illegal), who just don't go to work and If you were with me I'm quite I could point out a few houses with illegal or non working people in them.

Around in Bristol, there is a place called Easton - That part of town is full of immigrants, mostly Samarians and Jamaicans to my knowledge.
My friend who lives close by has been ganged up on continuously by these black people who drive around with rap blasting out there speakers.
There is also territory gang wars between Jamaicans and Samarians, even though they all immigrated in the last decade - they seem to think its there land.

I go to a school close by, And ill tell you I and my friends have been ganged up on by black people who call us names because we like rock and metal and not rap, they said another word which I didn't even know what that meant until I searched it up on the internet and found it was slang for a white person.

Don't think that where I live its just black people that are like that, because there are white people pretending to be black, here those are stereotyped as "wigger" and "chav (but wears Burberry) and they pretty much do the same, but they were influenced by those immigrants really.

And don't think that I don't have black friends, because that’s not true - I have a few really good friends who are black, but they don't act gangster or call me names for being white when they were the immigrants.

Now guys, do you see my point? - I'm really not a Nazi at all, I don't agree with stopping immigration because without it I wouldn't have some of the friends I have today, I think also UK needed immigrants at one time too. I certainly don't mind a mixed raced country as long as people are going to respect the country and the rules, and here we don't rape people or live in ghetto or some imaginary world where we are gangstas. Even still, Skrewdriver has some good songs, and if I want to listen to it, I shouldn't be called a Nazi for it.

Now if anyone doesn't like me listening to Skrewdriver, then so be it - but there are people who want to listen to this band without being called racists, I do believe that if I went into the rap forum I could find a load of racist black singers.

Now let's stop this arguing and flaming if you wouldn't mind, I will even apologise if it goes both ways, Hope that has cleared things up a bit.

Sorry Winter, but it is no surprise you listen to this band, I mean looking at your sig, you are obviously sacrilidgous so please don't say things liek that about my god..., But in your defence listening to "Satanist" bands preaching about how good their god is compared to other people's gods, it doesn't mean you're a follower of Satan... It merely means that you liek the music

I'm going to ask a stupid question here. What Satanist band are you talking about?

By the way Winter has already said he isn't racist.

Well this example doesn't say anything about my god but it is a song about Satan

Slipknot - Heretic Anthem

8...7...6...6...6...5...4...3...2...1...
Im a pop star threat and Im not dead yet
Got a super dred bet with an angel drug head
Like a dead beat winner. I want to be a sinner
An idolized bang for the industry killer.
A hideous man that you dont understand
Throw a suicide party and Im guaranteed to ****ing snap.
Its evilsonic, its pornoholic.
Breakdowns, obscenities, its all I wanna be.
If youre 555 then Im 666.
If youre 555 Im 666.
If youre 555 then Im 666 (whats it like to be a heretic)
If youre 555 Im 666. (whats it like to be a heretic)
Everybodys so infatuated
Everybodys so completely sure of what we are
Everybody defamates from miles away
But face to face, they havent got a thing to say
I bleed for this and I bleed for you
Still you look in my face like Im sombody new
Toy - nobody wants anything Ive got
Which if fine becuase youre made of
Everything - Im - not!
If youre 555 then Im 666.
If youre 555 Im 666.
If youre 555 then Im 666 (whats it like to be a heretic)
If youre 555 Im 666. (whats it like to be a heretic)
30 seconds, 16, 8, 4, lemme tell you why
I havent the slightest, Im teaching your brightest
Theyre listening, clamoring
All the money in the world cant buy me.
Go ahead. lie to me.
Tell me again how youre tortured
I wanna know how you followed your orders so well
Youre full of ****
You had a dream but this aint it.
If youre 555 then Im 666.
If youre 555 Im 666.
If youre 555 then Im 666 (whats it like to be a heretic)
If youre 555 Im 666. (whats it like to be a heretic)

I don't hate this song I find it all right, but it doesn't make me a satanist:)

Another stupid question. What have Slipknot got to do with this thread?

Lol... Lets just drop it shall we?

(P.S I fixed my previous post, it probably doesn't make scense but it isn't about total crap:) )

I've changed my sig now because you came across politely, Thats just my belief - In town where I live there is always christian preachers and that sickens and offends me, anyhow I know how it feels so I have taken the sig off, as for being "sacrilidgous".. hmm I'm just a very strong non believer I guess.

Any black metal band will usually sing / screech about burning churches and satanism, Darkthrone, Burzem.. ect, the odd thing was I knew a christian that liked black metal even though it is ripping them, but she just liked it for the music I guess :)

Thought for a moment this was going to turn into a religious shit slinging match.
Keep the peace. :beer:

have you read his replies to this thread and comments about immigrants?

Yes I have.
He claims he's not racist...

...and time will tell.

Amen to that:)

My thoughts and opinions about imigrants I wouldn't say is racist, I think I said in a post earlier that the British enconomy would go under if it wasn't for imigrants, I just don't like the idea of imigrants living off tax's and getting cars and a house for free from goverment... I thought I did explain in one of my posts.

Let us be reminded...

what about people of other races that have been born there?
and what exactly makes you think that those people living off the goverment are any less valuable than english people living of the goverment? why do you think these people have less of a right to enjoy the benefits of a welfare state? logically, that would mean you don't in fact, equate all people, that you discriminate...and that my friend, makes you a biggot and a racist....

How many Prussian Blue albums do you own Winter?

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ssian_Blue.jpg

That's a cute smiley too (minus the mustache and the scene hair)

Citizens living off the government >>>>>>>>>>> illegal immigrants living off of the government.

any time, any where.

Yeah, I mean, seriously. Those born into a prosperous, wealthy country are always much better than those who weren't as fortunate and are trying desperately to improve their and their family's station in life.

GO BACK TO MEXICO, LEECHES!!!

hahaha....:beer:

What about the "other races that have been born there"? - I don't like anyone who isn't prepared to work and just live off goverment, but crap happens aswell, and where I live alot of imigrants don't work.

I don't care if you label me as racist, but I know I'm true to myself nad my beliefs, and it doesn't make me a worse or better person.

What the **** is Prussian Blue?
I'm not wasting my time searching it up...

you should, it's right up your alley....

Lets see now. What has this thread taught us?

That Skrewdriver were a decent band (apparently) until it was taken over by a white supremacist and turned into a racist band with a neo-nazi following.
http://www.resistance.com/skrewdriver/
See link. ^

That it is possible to listen to this band without being a racist.

That this thread has exhausted itself (musically) and has turned into a political debate as to whether or not illegal, or legal immigrants should receive welfare.

Perhaps someone should make a thread in 'The Lounge' where this thread now belongs.

Any member that has a problem with this thread being closed, can PM me and I will re-open it for the pointless off-topic discussion to continue.