I think you're explaining to her the descendence, but in different terms:


Screamo>Emo>Punk(Anarcho)>Hardcore

EMO is not PUNK at all-I can see a small connection but it's barely blinking!

You'd think being 13 you'd realize you don't know jack shit. But then again you're 13.




EDIT: LISTEN TO

Mid 90s Emo/Screamo band Anomie: www.myspace.com/standardproperty

versus

Modern Hardcore Punk band Sinking Ships: www.myspace.com/sinkingships

Holy crap, that was like totally different in every way ever.

You know, I'm absolutely convinced these kids know that emo is punk, but for the sake of being dumbasses, are just reiterating the exact same statements with no new arguments or any way of backing them up.

Kid? I'm beginning to think that a lot of people on these boards have too high an opinion of themselves-and are lambasting people to look cool.

Okay PUNK is an attitude, a way of life. A social situation. Middle class young men bemoaning their love lives (or lack of) does not constitute punk. Railing against the system, unhappiness at your lack of economic status and having political leanings are just some of the elements of punk. Jamming in a garage and releasing a rough demo shorn of a studio polish could be considered PUNK. Releasing albums on their own Independent labels is considered PUNK, not glossy studio numbers. I would much rather put early electro/hip hop along with punk not EMO.

For the record I'm 35 I dare say some will now trot out the old classics like old fart etc and I do like some EMO but it is not punk.

I'm sorry but emo does all those things. House shows, self releases, cdrs, photo-copied inserts, 100 press releases, public practices, sleeping at strangers house, **** ass recordings, cassettes passed, labels run out of basements. All that junk. Emo's got it.

Maybe it's a cultural thing, everyone I know would not class EMO as punk over here, and maybe a lot of British punk bands are not known in America and EMO is the new punk-don't quote me-put a previous poster had an opinion of me without knowing **** all about me-I'm beginning to think that this is not a great forum-I was having arguments about genres of music @ 16-discuss our likes and dislikes but there seems to be a lot of petty minded opnions on here (not your self swim).

@Mushie.


Ampere, a screamo band from Massachusetts.
www.myspace.com/amperepunx

Daniel Striped Tiger, a screamo band from Massachusetts.
www.myspace.com/danielstripedtiger

Antioch Arrow, an emo band from California, they broke up 95/96.
www.myspace.com/antiocharrow

Swing Kids, an emo/hardcore punk band from California, they broke up quite a while ago.
www.myspace.com/officialswingkids

Minor Threat, a hardcore punk band from D.C., they are also deceased.
www.myspace.com/minorthreattribute


http://www.musicbanter.com/hardcore-...on-thread.html

I'd be the first to tell you that the UK has a pretty shoddy emo scene and that I don't think you know what emo is.

It's off shoot of hardcore which was an off shoot of punk. I notice how you only described punk by ethics I think emo is the most musically ethical-elitest genre out right now. If you sell an emo record for 15 dollars you're an arsehole. If you do a show with age limits you're an arsehole. If you charge more than 10 bucks for a show you're an arsehole. If you produce polished grovel you're a god damn arsehole

ch-check out June Paik
www.myspace.com/junepaik

Being from Britain he probably has no clue (even at the time) about 80s hardcore in DC.

It's a shame, really.