Why do people call bands like Fall Out Boy and Good charlotte "Sellouts"? (hardcore, punk)

jacklovezhimself · 04-07-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CityLightsLikeRain

I saw Against Me! mentioned earlier in the thread. When I hear their stuff on the "alternative" station in michigan I get depressed.

Good Charlotte already lost most of their fandom. And Fallout Boy is fading slowly. Their reign of teenage angst will soon come to an end.

you and me both.

boo boo · 04-07-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Anything Green Day or Fall Out Boy has done has been crap. Neither did anything original at all and I have yet to find an ounce of soul in their music.

You find it in Dream Theater?

Zombeels · 04-07-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CityLightsLikeRain

I saw Against Me! mentioned earlier in the thread. When I hear their stuff on the "alternative" station in michigan I get depressed.

Good Charlotte already lost most of their fandom. And Fallout Boy is fading slowly. Their reign of teenage angst will soon come to an end.

Theyll find more. We used to complain about Hootie, Nickelback and Creed in the same way. They just keep coming back.

jacklovezhimself · 04-08-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Zombeels

Theyll find more. We used to complain about Hootie, Nickelback and Creed in the same way. They just keep coming back.

I hope you're right. Against Me's new album seemed to poppy for me.

teshadoh · 04-08-2008, 10:46 AM

The world would be much better if everyone would just agree that punk died in the mid '80's. That doesn't even mean I don't like any post mid 80's 'punk' bands, Sleater Kinney & Fugazi awesome at what they do - but I would consider them more Indie Rock.

90's Indie Rock, 80's Hardcore / Underground are the direct descendants of punk. Any other band that simulates their sound & look are doing so in nostalgia or at best homage. I won't even say they suck, are sell outs, or any negative terms - but the post mid 80's punk bands are performing in a vacuam far removed from what punk WAS.

You can bands influenced by rockabilly, psychedelica, bands influenced by prog-rock, bands influenced by new wave - but those genres are deeply rooted in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's respectavely. Otherwise, those too are ancient genres that can influence bands later, but those bands do not belong in the same genre. They are 'new', 'post' or 'revival'.

~~The Unfan~~ · 04-08-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by teshadoh

The world would be much better if everyone would just agree that punk died in the mid '80's.

This post is

incarnate.

jacklovezhimself · 04-08-2008, 02:23 PM

by the way the first adjective that comes to mind when thinking about good charlotte and fall out boy.

i can make a list of adjectives i DO think of but it would be a long line of ****************************.

tjtech12 · 04-08-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by teshadoh

The world would be much better if everyone would just agree that punk died in the mid '80's. That doesn't even mean I don't like any post mid 80's 'punk' bands, Sleater Kinney & Fugazi awesome at what they do - but I would consider them more Indie Rock.

90's Indie Rock, 80's Hardcore / Underground are the direct descendants of punk. Any other band that simulates their sound & look are doing so in nostalgia or at best homage. I won't even say they suck, are sell outs, or any negative terms - but the post mid 80's punk bands are performing in a vacuam far removed from what punk WAS.

You can bands influenced by rockabilly, psychedelica, bands influenced by prog-rock, bands influenced by new wave - but those genres are deeply rooted in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's respectavely. Otherwise, those too are ancient genres that can influence bands later, but those bands do not belong in the same genre. They are 'new', 'post' or 'revival'.

Dude, Get your head out of your ass. "Punk" can't die. you are completely ignoring skatepunk, hardcore, ska-punk, etc. While those bands aren't original at all, they sure as hell aren't doing it for the money.

jacklovezhimself · 04-08-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tjtech12

Dude, Get your head out of your ass. "Punk" can't die. you are completely ignoring skatepunk, hardcore, ska-punk, etc. While those bands aren't original at all, they sure as hell aren't doing it for the money.

this is true but there are no "skate-punk" or "ska-punk" bands that can even come close to comparing to successful punk bands think about it......

tjtech12 · 04-08-2008, 05:52 PM

How do you mean "successful" punk bands?

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jacklovezhimself five years Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,248	by the way the first adjective that comes to mind when thinking about good charlotte and fall out boy. i can make a list of adjectives i DO think of but it would be a long line of ****************************. __________________

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tjtech12 A Dude Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 161	How do you mean "successful" punk bands? __________________ alive and well, i live to be alive, i live to always strive for something more.

04-08-2008, 10:46 AM	#45 (permalink)
teshadoh Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 94	The world would be much better if everyone would just agree that punk died in the mid '80's. That doesn't even mean I don't like any post mid 80's 'punk' bands, Sleater Kinney & Fugazi awesome at what they do - but I would consider them more Indie Rock. 90's Indie Rock, 80's Hardcore / Underground are the direct descendants of punk. Any other band that simulates their sound & look are doing so in nostalgia or at best homage. I won't even say they suck, are sell outs, or any negative terms - but the post mid 80's punk bands are performing in a vacuam far removed from what punk WAS. You can bands influenced by rockabilly, psychedelica, bands influenced by prog-rock, bands influenced by new wave - but those genres are deeply rooted in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's respectavely. Otherwise, those too are ancient genres that can influence bands later, but those bands do not belong in the same genre. They are 'new', 'post' or 'revival'.