Haha, I agree. I just find it so ridiculous that most "Straight-edge" kids attempt to come off like they're so free-thinking and independent, yet their every action needs to be in strict alliance with the rules of the straight edge club.

That's like saying "rock is ****". Punk music is such a wide term, and covers so many different types of music, it's impossible to say stuff like "punk is ****", just like you can't say "all punk is great".

Yeah, every genre has its share of crap and excellence, especially one as broad as 'punk'.

Thats my point of contention though...its not that wide ranging. You have the punk community throwing out everything like its a god damn fire sale.

The argument you should be making is that since nothing is in fact "punk" then it can't be ***

Don't expect me to take you seriously.

well actually thats not true...considering a lot of skate punk is better than punk

Well... that's where I disagree.

I listen to Lagwagon a lot more than The Clash, but all in all, I'd have to say, The Clash were a better band. Better lyrics, more passion, and more meaning. Overall, they have more musical merit, and really, mean more to me than Lagwagon does.

I do think that skate punk is a subgenre of punk, however, at least musically, if not idealistically.

well i guess it all depends what you mean by "better" a lot of punk bands put more passion into their work and have more talent then skate punk bands who usually are just trying to have fun and fun sounds better to me personally so i would say a band like suicide machines is better than a band like the clash

Have you ever checked out any 2nd wave Punk Alfred? Bands such as:

Black Flag
Circle Jerks
Discharge
G.B.H

They are the link between the Original bands and the riff based Punk that is so predominant in the Skater scene (not too mention, a lot better :)

i could never really get into black flag for some reasons but circle jerks are great