Music Banter - Art Punk

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Honestly, I feel that this is one of those instances where people are just splitting hairs with genre-labeling.

For example, you just said that art rock is a sub-genre of rock that incorporates avant-garde influences into its music, but it doesn't get too experimental. Don't you think that's a bit much? I mean, if you're going to go by that definition, then art rock simply falls onto the poppier side of experimental rock... The same can be said about art punk... except it's on the more experimental side of post-punk. It all seems too specific to me and kind of redundant.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Art punk or avant punk refers to post-punk music of an experimental bent, or with connections to art school, the art world, or the avant garde.

Post-punk is a rock music movement with its roots in the late 1970s, following on the heels of the initial punk rock explosion of the mid-1970s. The genre retains its roots in the punk movement but is more introverted, complex and experimental

After just having defined them both (through Wikipedia), do you sort of see what I'm getting at? They're both incredibly similar, and the distinctions between the two are rather minute.

You say the term art punk is unnecessary, but Japanther is about as pure of an example as you can get. Just read their Wiki page:

Japanther - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This isn't the only place you'll find that kind of nitpicky redundancy. RIO/Avant-Prog is pretty much the same thing, and shoegaze almost always goes hand in hand with either dream pop or noise pop. This kind of watery definition is found everywhere, and is even worse when it comes to terms like "indie rock", which don't really define any specific sound at all.

****ed Up is a great art-punk band. Recommend them highly.

Also, I saw japanther in new paltz with math the band and terror pigeon dance revolt. amazing stuff.

is The Urinals considered Art Punk? Because I really enjoy them

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Originally Posted by AdoreZero1979 (Post 1001403)

I'm not a fan of any genre that has the word art in front of it...music is art. What about these genres make it more....(i dont know the word I'm looking for) arty?

You just don't understand.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1182402)

Also, where does a band like Wire fit in art-punk, post-punk or as I like to call them prog-punk.

prog-punk is also called pronk. The best representatives are Cardiacs, blending the craziness of Zappa with the energy of punk.

Besides art-punk (ex : the psychedelic punk of Stranglers - clearly influenced by The Doors) and post-punk (the experimentations of PIL or Pere Ubu), we also have jazz-punk : James Chance & the Contortions, The Minutemen, Nomeansno, The lounge lizards...It could be regarded as a subgenre of prog-punk (just as jazz-rock can be regarded as a subgenre of prog-rock, see the progarchives site for that matter).

And what about no wave, the NY scene that arose as a pun to the new wave label coined by the media of that time (Lydia lunch, Talking Heads, James Chance and the contortions, DNA, Mars...). Sort of punk mixed with avant-garde. it's rather close to post-punk in its spirit.