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Unknown Soldier 12-07-2011 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Electrophonic Tonic (Post 1129310)
I'm totally in the proto-punk camp. My love of garage rock is probably the reason, since the two can so easily spill into each other, and some of my favorites including The Sonics, 13th Floor Elevators, MC5 and even Link Wray can straddle that line. I find a lot of punk like Sex Pistols and the Clash too clean and crisp. The noisy, buzzy sludge of garage rock is so much like proto-punk and that's why I love it.

To be fair, I haven't given post-punk much of a listen.
You find early Clash crisp sounding?

Post-punk is actually very subjective and you`ll always get a whole load of diverse opinions on the subject. The first band that always comes to mind when I think of post-punk is always the Stooges.

TockTockTock 12-07-2011 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Electrophonic Tonic (Post 1129310)
To be fair, I haven't given post-punk much of a listen.
You're a fan of Beefheart, right?

Electrophonic Tonic 12-07-2011 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1129313)
You find early Clash crisp sounding?
If we're limiting it to their early stuff, not especially. If we're talking London Calling and Combat Rock, then yes. But it's not like the fact that those albums have a crisp sound (in my mind) ruins it for me, because I enjoy those albums. I just prefer the noisier, more chaotic sound of proto-punk.

Janszoon 12-07-2011 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Above (Post 1129304)
On the last.fm definition, in spite of the word "post", it came from around the same time Punk did. Not after. And I really struggle to hear the influence of punk on bands like Interpol.
Interpol is a post-punk revival band. Actual post-punk would be bands like Joy Division, PiL, etc.

Electrophonic Tonic 12-07-2011 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1129319)
You're a fan of Beefheart, right?
I do enjoy Trout Mask Replica and I was gonna check out the rest of his discography that gets buried under Trout. Instead I checked out the Residents and yeah...

If Captain Beefheart has some post-punk stuff you recommend, that would be great. I may be in the same boat as Above, where I don't exactly understand what is and isn't post-punk and maybe I actually do have an opinion of it.

TockTockTock 12-07-2011 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Electrophonic Tonic (Post 1129326)
I do enjoy Trout Mask Replica and I was gonna check out the rest of his discography that gets buried under Trout. Instead I checked out the Residents and yeah...

If Captain Beefheart has some post-punk stuff you recommend, that would be great. I may be in the same boat as Above, where I don't exactly understand what is and isn't post-punk and maybe I actually do have an opinion of it.
Well... Doc at the Radar Station is sort of post-punkish, but I was going to recommend you look into Pere Ubu's first two albums if you were a fan of Beefheart.

Electrophonic Tonic 12-07-2011 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1129329)
Well... Doc at the Radar Station is sort of post-punkish, but I was going to recommend you look into Pere Ubu's first two albums if you were a fan of Beefheart.
...That works too :laughing:

I'll add it to an already too long list of stuff I need to check out. Many thanks.

Howard the Duck 12-07-2011 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1129313)
You find early Clash crisp sounding?
it's not exactly that jarring or dissonant

only Strummer's singing can be a bit raucous

Sparky 12-07-2011 11:33 PM
post punk. More interesting subject matter, less "typical" rock conventions, easier for my adolescent self to feel an emotional connection to even if i didn't always understand what they were saying(mark e smith)

However, velvet underground and nico,and select songs from the stooges I appreciate more then most post punk I've listened to.

simonbrew 12-19-2011 06:01 AM
love early post-punk like three imaginary boys, joy division and cabaret voltaire

but i must say proto punk is where its AT


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