The great hardcore/punk countdown

William_the_Bloody · 01-16-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Fixed your spelling of "Massachusetts" for you. Sorry, it's my home state.

lol no worries, I don't use spell check.

William_the_Bloody · 01-17-2013, 08:50 PM

91. Bad Religion Genre (Melodic Hardcore/Punk rock) , California USA era 80's 90's/Present &

D.I. Genre (Punk Rock), California USA, era 80's, 90's

So here it is, probably the biggest low ball on my list considering they would be in the top 10 or 20 for many people. I concede that American Jesus is an amazing song, but overall I think that Bad Religion is the most overrated band in the history of punk rock. Simply put, I do not like this band.

Bad Religions rise to prominence took place in the 90's largely in part because of guitarist Brett Gurewitz ownership of Epitaph that spearheaded hardcore into a softer more commercially viable direction with the signing of The Offspring, and virtually every other notable melodic hardcore band of the 90's.

Instead of the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag & the Exploited we therefore got Bad Religion, The Offspring, Pennywise ect, and although I like the latter two bands, it really marked the taming of hardcore in my opinion.

Bad Religion themselves are remarkably soft sounding for a punk rock band, softer than The Clash in my opinion when you take their different era's into account. This wouldn't be a problem if they had a catalogue of great songs behind them, but unlike The Clash they do not. In short if you are going to tread close to U2, Coldplay territory, than you need to step up to the plate. They have not, and so here they sit at 91, back with the next ten in a bit.

American Jesus

Infected

**** You

D.I.

Okay editing the edit. I originally had Face to Face down, but I can't stand them, and I am running out of room, so I thought I'd stick a worthy band on the list that Bob has already mentioned. The D.I.'s sort of passed me by, though I had this song on....dating myself...cassette!

Ballroom Blitz

Insane Guest · 01-17-2013, 11:16 PM

Taming says it, there is a certain period of time where all the following hardcore that was coming out started out promising, but they all just went downhill and followed the same similar path, and swept up the rest along with it.

bob. · 01-18-2013, 01:45 PM

a little harsh but i get what you're saying.....at first i was gonna come in all "come on man....Bad Religion" but too be honest i really only like three of their albums (Suffer, No Control, Against The Grain) and a handful of other tracks....although i do almost always check out their new releases....i see you're point but think you're over simplifying them a bit and i think that the fact that all of your examples are from their later "more toned down albums" tells me you just never really liked them....which i understand.....they are a love or hate band for sure.....

for me it is always about lyrics and lyrical content with this band....although i can't lie i do enjoy the melodic edge in their music.....but i honestly think there are few bands in the punk/hardcore umbrella that can compare to the intelligence in their lyrics....3 examples

Spoiler for No Control:

Spoiler for Do What you Want:

Spoiler for Entropy:

seriously find me another band in any genre that uses the word "proliferation", sings songs about the power of entropy, and at the same time can write a brilliant line like "i'll believe in god when one and one are five"

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-18-2013, 02:08 PM

It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion

Alfred · 01-18-2013, 02:25 PM

I agree that they are the one of the most overrated punk bands. Not Sex Pistols-overrated, but up there.

Case in point, this fuckface thinks that they're the greatest punk band ever.

This is the only song by them I ever really loved.

Bad Religion - Tiny Voices (with lyrics) - YouTube

bob. · 01-18-2013, 02:29 PM

who is that?

Alfred · 01-18-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bob.

who is that?

Fat Mike of this band

NOFX - I Gotta Pee - YouTube

FRED HALE SR. · 01-18-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion

One of those bands like Social Distortion that is very polarizing.

William_the_Bloody · 01-18-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion

Thank you, okay lets rock.

01-17-2013, 08:50 PM	#142 (permalink)
William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	91. Bad Religion Genre (Melodic Hardcore/Punk rock) , California USA era 80's 90's/Present & D.I. Genre (Punk Rock), California USA, era 80's, 90's So here it is, probably the biggest low ball on my list considering they would be in the top 10 or 20 for many people. I concede that American Jesus is an amazing song, but overall I think that Bad Religion is the most overrated band in the history of punk rock. Simply put, I do not like this band. Bad Religions rise to prominence took place in the 90's largely in part because of guitarist Brett Gurewitz ownership of Epitaph that spearheaded hardcore into a softer more commercially viable direction with the signing of The Offspring, and virtually every other notable melodic hardcore band of the 90's. Instead of the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag & the Exploited we therefore got Bad Religion, The Offspring, Pennywise ect, and although I like the latter two bands, it really marked the taming of hardcore in my opinion. Bad Religion themselves are remarkably soft sounding for a punk rock band, softer than The Clash in my opinion when you take their different era's into account. This wouldn't be a problem if they had a catalogue of great songs behind them, but unlike The Clash they do not. In short if you are going to tread close to U2, Coldplay territory, than you need to step up to the plate. They have not, and so here they sit at 91, back with the next ten in a bit. American Jesus Infected ** You D.I.** Okay editing the edit. I originally had Face to Face down, but I can't stand them, and I am running out of room, so I thought I'd stick a worthy band on the list that Bob has already mentioned. The D.I.'s sort of passed me by, though I had this song on....dating myself...cassette! Ballroom Blitz Last edited by William_the_Bloody; 07-11-2013 at 10:05 PM.

01-18-2013, 01:45 PM	#144 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	a little harsh but i get what you're saying.....at first i was gonna come in all "come on man....Bad Religion" but too be honest i really only like three of their albums (Suffer, No Control, Against The Grain) and a handful of other tracks....although i do almost always check out their new releases....i see you're point but think you're over simplifying them a bit and i think that the fact that all of your examples are from their later "more toned down albums" tells me you just never really liked them....which i understand.....they are a love or hate band for sure..... for me it is always about lyrics and lyrical content with this band....although i can't lie i do enjoy the melodic edge in their music.....but i honestly think there are few bands in the punk/hardcore umbrella that can compare to the intelligence in their lyrics....3 examples Spoiler for No Control: Culture was the seed of proliferation but it's gotten melded Into an inharmonic whole, to an inharmonic whole. Consciousness has plagued us and we cannot shake it Though we think we're in control, though we think we're in control. Questions that besiege us in life are testament of our helplessness. "There's no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end." [(Hutton, 1795] When we all disintegrate it will all happen again, yeah. Time is so rock solid in the minds of the hordes but they can't Explain why it should slip away, explain why it should slip away. History and future are the comforts of our curiosity but here we are Rooted in the present day, rooted in the present day Questions that besiege us in life are testament of our helplessness. "There's no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end." [(Hutton, 1795] When we all disintegrate it will all happen again, yeah. If you came to conquer, you'll be king for a day, But you too will deteriorate and quickly fade away. And believe these words you hear when you think your path is clear... We have no control. We have no control. We have no control, we do not understand. You have no control, you are not in command. You have no control. We have no control. No control. No control. You have no control. Spoiler for Do What you Want: Hey do what you want, but don't do it around me. Idleness and dissipation breed apathy. I sit on my ass all goddamn day, A misanthropic anthropoid with nothing to Say what you must, do all you can, Break all the **ing rules and Go to Hell with Superman and Die like a champion, yeah hey! Hey I don't know if the billions will survive, But I'll believe in God when 1 and 1 are 5. My moniker is man and I'm rotten to the core. I'll tear down the building just to pass through the door. So do what you must, do all you can, Break all the ing rules and Go to Hell with Superman and Die like a champion, yeah hey! Spoiler** for Entropy: random blobs of power expressed as that which we all disregard, ordered states of nature on a scale that no one thinks about, don't speak to me of anarchy or peace of calm revolt, man, we're in a play of slow decay orchestrated by boltzmann, it's entropy, it's not a human issue, entropy, it's matter of course, entropy, energey at all levels, entropy, from it you can not divorce and your pathetic moans of suffrage tend to lose all significance, extinction, degradation; the natural outcomes of our ordered lives, power, motivation; temporary fixtures for which we strive, something in our synapses assures us we're ok but in our disequilibrium we simply can not stay, it's entropy..., a stolid proposition from a man unkempt as i, my affectations i can not rectify, but we are out of equilibrium unnaturally, a pang of consciousness at death and then you will agree seriously find me another band in any genre that uses the word "proliferation", sings songs about the power of entropy, and at the same time can write a brilliant line like "i'll believe in god when one and one are five" __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

01-18-2013, 02:08 PM	#145 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

01-18-2013, 02:25 PM	#146 (permalink)
Alfred one big soul Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 5,096	I agree that they are the one of the most overrated punk bands. Not Sex Pistols-overrated, but up there. Case in point, this fuckface thinks that they're the greatest punk band ever. This is the only song by them I ever really loved. Bad Religion - Tiny Voices (with lyrics) - YouTube __________________ LAST.FM / VINYL COLLECTION / RYM Last edited by Alfred; 01-18-2013 at 05:31 PM.

01-18-2013, 02:29 PM	#147 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	who is that? __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

01-17-2013, 11:16 PM	#143 (permalink)
Insane Guest Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: CA Posts: 1,322	Taming says it, there is a certain period of time where all the following hardcore that was coming out started out promising, but they all just went downhill and followed the same similar path, and swept up the rest along with it.