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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1297094)

Russia, come for the communism
stay for the dildo swords

You're going to have to elaborate on this one because 'Russian ***** swords' did not yield fruitful results in google. :(
EDIT: Why am I surprised dildo is censored?

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Originally Posted by red.head (Post 1297854)

Socialism is nothing without freedom. Freedom of speech, of press.

Socialism is the exact opposite of freedom! It's forcing those that have more than you, to give it up for others who don't care to work as hard to have as much! Where's the freedom in that?

If you have more records than me, you have to give me your records until I have the same amount as you. Is that fair? Is that freedom? (the answer is "no).

Why has no one mentioned North Korea yet?

We were waiting for you too.... the wait is over now.

it violates the patriot act.

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1300687)

We were waiting for you too.... the wait is over now.

:D

I can't believe I only just discovered this thread! It's just the entertainment I need during a long day of study and a sore back.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1300692)

:D

I can't believe I only just discovered this thread! It's just the entertainment I need during a long day of study and a sore back.

I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1300817)

I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1300817)

I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

*facepalm*

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1300817)

I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

You have now officially turned into Music Banter's crazy uncle.

That OP is misleading as hell

okay, let's say YOU ARE RIGHT and all punk bands have a hidden agenda

What's the big deal about that?
ppl can support wthvr idealogy they like plus the main thing punk advertises is Anarchy not communism

which ultimately is just a rebellion phase for most punks they don't really want anarchy they just want to defy authority for wthvr personal reason

you yourself are an example of that
im sure when you were a punk you justified your punk ways and thought you were "Right" at the time
Now you're a born again christian and you're doing the same thing all over again

there's no humility or self doubt in your words
you're passing this sh*t as the truth when it's just some crazy commie theory

What I find funny is this:

"f*ck the government!"

Followed by:

"f*ck conservative values that advocate for less governmental control and interference!"

So it really ends up as:

"f*ck me!"

Success.

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1301374)

That would be funny... if modern conservative values did favor a smaller role of government in actual practice instead of just in the rhetoric.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1300817)

I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

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Originally Posted by frankcom_10 (Post 1301145)

My brain.....

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1301153)

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1301270)

*facepalm*

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1301334)

You have now officially turned into Music Banter's crazy uncle.

Some people just don't understand subtle, intelligent humor. Besides, the trick is to find someone at work to do that with and keep doing it until everyone at work can't help themselves and are all saying it. Then it's just so retarded that you can't help but laugh.

Oh, I understood it... still calls for a sad trombone though.

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Originally Posted by jstrodel (Post 1290616)

Search for this on google if you want to read a more in depth article about the connection between Communism and punk rock:
Are_the_Kids_United_The_Communist_Party_of_Great_B ritain_Rock_Against_Racism_and_the_Politics_of_You th_Culture

Hello, my name is Joseph. I am a former punk rock enthusiast. I have been into such bands as the Dead Kennedy's, Propagandhi, Minor threat and various other bands. I have noticed that many bands have a political message. I used to hear the bands and enjoy the political message. I used to be politically very far to the left, an anarchist or a socialist or something like that. Of course, it was from listening to all of that music. But, as I have gotten older (I am 27 now), I see that the left wing politics in punk rock was tied to Marxism, something I never really was deeply involved in. Even the music that claims to be "anarchist" is actually really deeply authoritarian and deeply influenced by Marxism. Such is the nature of left wing politics, you never really know if the people who would seem to be most opposed to authoritarian communism actually are, in fact, Communists.

When I read this link, I noticed that the Communist party itself was involved in the production of punk rock music. This made me angry. I am now a born again Christian, I have seen miracles and the reality of God. I used to consider peoples political beliefs a private matter of great significance, and it virtuous to consider others political predicaments. I still believe this, but I see a darker force at work, where the Communists are using music to try and lead young people away from the church and into their movement. They don't seem to care that many people in the punk subculture die of drug overdoses, I personally have suffered greatly as a result of my drug use.

I would like you all to consider the role that you may encourage others to follow a ideology of Marxism (such as that promoted by the band The Clash) that, in fact, has little to do with loving others or helping the poor but actually has everything to do with advancing an authoritarian and nihilistic philosophy.

I understand that most of you will not consciously support the policies of Stalin or Mao or any other Communist nation. Most of the left today is very critical of these regimes. I would like you to consider that perhaps they do this because it is necessary to build their movement. Marxism has never resulted in a Democratic country, Marxism has always led to authoritarianism.

I do not think that you can be a punk and be a Marxist. Punk is about challenging false authorities and overcoming injustice. Marxism is about doctrinaire and authoritarian ideologies that suppress truth and use violence to force people to believe lies. I do not see how any of this can be considered remotely consistent with the punk spirit.

I see the place that I am now, as a Christian committed to social justice to be a far more consistent position with the original punk rock ethos that I once had. I would urge you to consider whether your de facto acceptance of Communism is in fact consistent with your commitment to DIY, free speech, resistance to tyranny, hatred to racism and injustice, etc. I do not think it could possibly be made so.

As far as I'm concerned, I remember that the very first punk bands in the UK such as the Sex Pistols and Sham 69 were quite right wing in style and lyrical content and for that reason the above is not that correct. But I do agree that the left may have hijacked the genre to breath some new life into it.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1301630)

How were the Sex Pistols right wing?

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1301921)

How were the Sex Pistols right wing?

The use of Nazi regalia, elements of racism in their lyrics, right wingers attached themselves to the band at the time. You won't know this, but at this time in the UK the National Front (a right wing yobbo organization) were extremely popular and punks along with skinheads attached themselves to this organization.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1301954)

To accuse the Sex Pistols of having elements of "right wing" national socialist aspects to their music is a very serious allegation, can you please cite your sources & their context. (ie what was the context of Sid wearing a swastika? What elements of racism in their lyrics? Are you referring to Belsen was a gas?)

Considering that it was the 1970's and many members & affiliates of the band hung out in reggae and gay & lesbian clubs. I have reason to doubt this accusation, thank you.

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody (Post 1302096)

To accuse the Sex Pistols of having elements of "right wing" national socialist aspects to their music is a very serious allegation, can you please cite your sources & their context. (ie what was the context of Sid wearing a swastika? What elements of racism in their lyrics? Are you referring to Belsen was a gas?)

Considering that it was the 1970's and many members & affiliates of the band hung out in reggae and gay & lesbian clubs. I have reason to doubt this accusation, thank you.

There is nothing serious about it whatsoever and I never stated that they had these elements in their actual music, we're just talking about a punk band that shocked the world back in the late 1970s and used what they could to promote themselves! If you insist on knowing, well I actually used to have a photo-feature book that came out in the 1980s, which actually showed quite a few racist aspects linked with bands such as the Sex Pistols, mostly in terms of imagery and those that followed the band. I also remember a radio interview back in the 1980s, where a journalist had talked about right-wing propoganda being linked with punk bands like the Sex Pistols back at that time. I doubt the band were genuine right-wingers at all and just used neo-Nazi material for shock value, but that doesn't change the fact that a section of their fanbase were right-wingers and I remember the scene here at the time.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1302269)

No worries, it sounded like you were saying the Sex Pistols flirted with the far right, so my apologies if I misinterpreted your intent. If you would allow me, I would like to clear up this issue with some quotes from John Lydon's autiobiography.

On Nazi regalia.

"It was like the Nazi gear. I don't think anyone knew what it meant, and if they did know, it was perceived as a reaction to a right wing thing. It was a reaction to mum and dad talking about world war 2."

Marco Pirroni from Adam & the Ants. (Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, 1994, pg 217)

"Even when you consider all the trappings, the swastikas, leather bondage & chains, we never felt much intolerance. To us these weren't badges of intolerance, but symbols of provocation to an older generation that had to get out of the way to make room for younger voices. To do so, we made use of any form possible. However the swastikas were dropped fairly quickly because we realized it wasn't the most clever way to get our point across."

John Lydon (Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, 1994, pg 182)

On the early punk scene.

"I think the music also attracted Rasta people into the fold because it initially was more tolerant. There was always dub reggae around, and it was the most experimental music going."

John Lydon (Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, 1994 pg, 182)

"The beauty of the punk thing was that from January to June of 1977, non discrimination was what it was about. There was little or no sexism or racism. For a start everybody loved reggae music. It was uncool to be judgmental of somebody's sexuality. "

Chrissie Hynde: The Pretenders (Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, 1994, pg 153)

On Johnny Rotten

"I started taking him to reggae clubs. We went to a place called the Four Aces in Dalston, which was the heaviest reggae club in London. No white people went in there. The only white person there was John, because I took him. Everybody left John alone. We black people had a respect for him because he came across as a real dude."

Don Letts: Big audio Dynamite (Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, 1994, pg 270)

"I'm not a revolutionary, a socialist or any of that. That's not what I'm about at all. An absolute sense of individuality is my politics. All political groups that I'm aware of on this planet strive to suppress individuality. They need block voting numbers. They need units. It doesn't matter if it's left or right...The thing these people strive for is mass uniformity."

John Lydon (Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, 1994, pg 309)

On Sham 69

The band has no right wing lyrical content, unless I'm missing something. They did however have a huge National Front following because their rowdy shows attracted a lot of working class white youths.

However the band called it quits precisely because of this unwanted contingent. See 2:40 of the clip onward. After Sham folded the skinhead movement largely attached themselves to ska bands like Madness & the oi! movement, before evolving into something much more sinister.

Anyways not arguing, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea about the Pistols.

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Originally Posted by jstrodel (Post 1290635)

You guys don't care at all if the music you like is promoting a Communist ideology? Don't you feel like you are in same way neglecting your responsibilities to those around you? 1/5th of the people in the world are under Communism. Does being indifferent to their suffering make you a better person?

I prefer it!

"We'll no longer pay the price, we'll get organized.
We'll no longer believe, working for you will set us free."

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If a simple sarcastic response will suffice to convince you of your own worth, perhaps there is something going on that is even worst than Communism.

Yeah, consumer capitalism at it's finest. Deal with it. :hphones:

It has always seemed to be the case to me that punk music is not so much about being any for particular solution (though some bands had their affiliations) as it is a general dissent against capitalism/globalism.

I agree man, burn all the punks at the stake!

Music is what you take from it. The punk genre itself can not be classified as one or the other government or politics etcetcetc since you can find at least one song probably advocating or against every form of government on the market. Things like this simply stem from people that don't care for punk music and just need people to listen to them. Music is just like religion, there is always that group of fanatics that just cant handle tolerance and have to make whatever effort they can to down or degrade another style or belief. simple as that.