True Punk Then?
 

okay, i know im not gonna get any replys to this thread, but here it goes. everyone is always arguing about what is punk and what isnt and this and that about pop punk and "punk revival". so, why dont you post your reason for why a certain band is punk.

Theres a sound and feel and style to the lyrics.


and there not MTV posers.

Just the attitude of the music, and the lifestyle the band lives.

okay, real punk was grittier, harder more agnsty, and had better and in general more political lyrics. Punk revival isn't as gritty or as harsh as real punk music was. Plus, they hane softer, ****tier lyrics. Pop punk is hell of alot more softer, more controlled, less political, more pop orientated for the mainstream market..Hope that clear sit up for you..

This thread isnt "real punk rock"

Why even start these threads? All that happens is a bunch of peolpe come around and tell you what punk is because they know and everyone else is a poser. Most the time they have no idea what there talking about, its just dumb. I suggest you figure it out for yourself instead of listening to people telling you what is and isnt punk. ISnt anyone else sick of sitting around thinking about all these stupid people writing up the "rule book" for punk? The only thing that make me happy about this thread is the fact that most of the people who reply to it will probobly not be involved in the punk scene in ten years, hell probobly even ten months.

Punk is playing music with passion even though you mightn't have any technical skill at all. Check out the Swell Maps and Half Japanese to see what punk is really about.

:clap: A breath of fresh air! Thank you!

deadkennedysmeetstheclash, don't you listen to modern punk? You say its gone softer, whats with that? Alot of the punk today are possibly more grittier, harder and more outspoken than ever before, they just don't get as much coverage. Just shut up with your crappy theroies of "punk revival". Punk never went anywhere.

I think generalizing music is stupid all in all. Everyone has they’re own opinion to what genre a band falls into. What I think is punk the guy next to me is gonna think is crap and what he thinks is punk I’m gonna think is a bunch of idiots yelling about stuff they think is rebellious. But since you’re asking for people’s opinions ill voice mine.

Punk started out as something that the normal person didn’t want to hear, had lyrics that actually meant something, and was more of a way to express themselves than to just play music. Take Crass as an example, a band I believe started a new string of punk, they weren’t leftist liberals or crazy republicans they were themselves and didn’t say something just because they thought it was rebellious. But if you had some one listen to crass they'll think "who the f*ck are these people, they dont even know how to play music". If you don’t agree with this I love a good debate and I won’t take it offensively.

Came out kinda long sorry.

Why would anyone want to discuss a genre of music if every time they mentioned it they had to explain what it is

There are already what..i'm guessing about 30 threads filled with 'what punk is' arguments that you could look at anyway. But of course someone just has to make a new one.

I barely listen to any punk or hardcore after 1986 these days, werd werd. I guess I just don't get any of these newer punk bands, they play stuff that has been done before, originality seems to be lost.

Stop pissing your pants, new people always make threads like this. Nothing to cry about.

I'm not 'crying' about it, we just don't need 800 threads about the same thing, especially when 90% of them aren't even closed, so why don't you tell that to the people who get all pissy when someone makes a green day thread

look on the bright side, there are no new green day threads... instead we have one about what to do when your phone gets damaged. we might just start discussing about what to do when your teeth are nasty

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ok, ok. you bunch of idiots misunderstood what i meant. i dont need a bunch of ****s who sit around all day on their computer to tell me what punk is. im not ****ing stupid. the reason for me making this thread is for you to tell me why a certain band is punk, considering that everyone is arguing about it.

^ No one will change their mind. People are so set on what they think is punk, pop-punk, hardcore, emo, and pop that it will do no good and just start a flame war. But, if you are into such things, be my guest. And the insults aren't appreciated.

I thought I'd briefly comment in general about all these genre feuds we have on these boards.
I don't believe that defining a band to a given genre is necessarily an opinion, at least 99% of the time. If you have ears, and have listened to the style before, there really is no debate.
As much as everyone hates the "genre anal" elitists, they're correct on most occassions (perhaps not on the associated namecalling, but on the genre). As much as people hate labeling a given band to a given style, it makes things easier, particularly for people who are looking for new bands that are similar to ones they already like.

Why do we never get these arguements about Polka

Cause you rarely hear the term "POLKA POSEUR"..

That wasnt a polka it was a waltz

We should

It has a nice ring to it

Then it is done. You can be MB's new Polka Poseur. Congrats :)

Well, not that I'm all knowing about the subject, but punk seems to be really clickish and like some exclusive club. You have to fit into all the rules, otherwise you are a poser (or however people declare it spelled). Polka has no such rules, at least not to my knowledge.

KaRl AnD tHe CoUnTrY dUtChMeN aRe HaRdCoRe :finger: :band: :band: :pimp:

Polka Is Punk. and punk isnt exclusive, pop punk is.

How's that?

theres just as many elitist in punk rock as in any other genre. Basically a bunch of people who think that their way is the true way and are oblivious to any sort of changes that may be happening around them in their own scene.

And the people who put safety pins on their American Eagle outfits and dye their mohawks blue don't fit into that elitist click I would say.
I would say most of the older punks who have their own views on things and fit into this 'elitist click' you speak of are cooler in my mind for ignoring the changing times.
All this pop-punk and whatnot where others that have no free thinking beliefs adapt the punk sound is destroying the punk social culture.
And I believe that this is how older punks see things.
You have some experience in this field Fenixpunk.
Is my statement wrong?

trying to define punk....*checks dictionary* http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=punk

hmmm very....helpful....anyone can say anything they like on the matter, you dont have to accept it, nor do they have to accept your opinions, im not even gonna begin to try and define punk, especially seen as the word already has so many definitions....like Chinese incense lol

i guess if you are punk, you arent gonna care when someone tells you you arent....

I can't believe I'm responding to this, but to me punk is more a matter of personal integrity than music. there have been a lot of artists/ people who have nothing to do with punk music who's lives and personal ethics have made them punk rock. When I think of the original punk music I think of people like Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Charles Mingus...all people who lived by their own muse and defied the conventional standard. people who weren't afraid to hurl rocks into the face of the beast. There is a particular sound asociated with punk music, but that same sound is being used by corporate record companies to sell records to naive children looking for an excuse to rebel. Is it any wonder that kids come on here with a misconstrued notion of what punk is? There being spoon fed garbage music everyday and being told that its there vehicle of personal expression and individuality.

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how do you do those clappy hands??
well,if i could i would put three pairs of clappy hands!!!
noiice noiice.

smart young lad we have here

wiki chiki

who cares? why get ureslef bothered what some1 thinks punk is?

Punk is a overhyped word that never REALLY meant anything and still doesn't. The word "SATCHMO" is looking for is 'different', in my opinion anyway.

P.u.n.k ! :o