I'm Irish. Unless you're similarly Irish then you have jack **** on me.

And I found your posts in that post-punk thread. They suck you suck kill yourself. Shellac is a post-punk band lol.

Oh I'll be the first one to admit I'm a f*cking idiot in regards to genre.

why is post metal even considered metal

lol

If it's a metal post what else would you call it?

I dunno if this worked out the way you had planned

Why do we even have post op? Shouldn't it just be a new "thing"?

I think a surgeon would be most qualified to answer that.

That means it did

it was pretty forced considering the wording. Post metal =/= metal post

ok

can't tell if you're a troll or someone with a very discordant personality

It's both.

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ESTIMATE: How many albums you heard?

I'd say there's plenty of post-punk bands that are very much punk, but a lot of them have grown away so much from punk they indeed barely sound like punk bands. They do still have that amateuristic DIY thing going on tho.

Give us 10 examples.

I can't. I'm saying this just from my recollection of browsing post punk bands, but I'm not the biggest fan of post-punk so I don't know many at all. However, I remember finding those to fit the broad umbrella of punk. It's just that with the majority I did not find it to be the case however. Plus, it's the same with post-hardcore. You have a bunch of bands with plenty of songs that are punk as ****, and some post-hardcore bands that I could barely consider hardcore punk. I've listened to more post-hardcore.

^ I agree.

How many albums did they listen to though? I only need an estimate.

Amateuristic, Simple, (often rather monotone), fast paced, raw, straight to the point/brief music inspired by amateuristic Rock N' Roll bands in order to go back to basics?

I know the DIY and amateuristic thing IS a Punk thing, that's why I said ''still has going on'', you don't need to clarify it. I mean, the amateurism is even in the name. But Punk Rock definitely has a general sound, often with very similar riffing. Hardcore Punk has a sound. Skate Punk has a sound, etc. That those early bands sound different (I think at least, I wasn't there) has more to do with that the genre wasn't fully established yet. I mean, Talking Heads were considered as Punk as the Ramones, despite sounding completely different. What you're doing is almost (It's not the exact same) like saying Powerviolence has no specific sound because Man is the Bastard sounds nothing like Charles Bronson.

I know the Talking Heads were part of that NYC scene and you can say as punk as Television but not the Ramones. I don't think that's true.

I respect that opinion. But when defining origins all must bow. The Ramones are the Creator. The best. The purest. The hooks that remain. Most High. All Praise.

No. They're deity. I worship them because they are Gods. So should you.

Death to punk cliches?

I got to admit I quickly wrote that and have never listened to television, but I tink the Ramomed and the Damned have quite a bit in common, at least their early work, which admittedly is their only work I actually listen to. But I just heavily disagree punk doesn't have sounds, it has them just like metal. In fact, if there's one genre with a bajillion bands that sound the same, it's Punk.

Metal has splintered into an infinity of diversity

Punk had its brilliance up front

But metal has had its brilliance in perpetuity

I don't know enough about post-punk to comment on that.

But punk definitely has a sound. I don't think it's an attitude. I mean, you could match that same attitude to some metal bands and rock bands. Godsmack did a bit of the DIY in their early days. Would you call the early Godsmack stuff punk? I wouldn't. And if you said they are, I'd say your ****ing dumb for claiming they are.

Punk rock is without a doubt a sound. To claim it's not is absurd to be frank.

I agree. It's a sound. Like any major genre it covers a wide spectrum. On the other hand, it does have a definitive core.

Yeah. It does. And I'm not denying that. I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of the claim that it doesn't have a sound. It has a sound, and that sound has evolved with time. That's why it has so many different sub-genres, because of the evolution to the genre. But if we called it an attitude, how many artists would fall under that label that no one would call punk? But punk definitely has an attitude. But that can't be the only requirement.

Again I agree.

Punks dead. Along with John Lennon, Prince and my brother. Discuss that, queers.

What happened to your brother?

He died.

Do I still get to watch you masturbate?

Drugs

^ So is godsmack a punk band?

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