What are you listening to punk?

The Batlord · 08-02-2020, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Eh, I don't know. Maybe between proto-punk and punk, I'd agree. They classify The Stooges as proto-punk (and who else? -- the New York Dolls, Television, etc?), but is there reallly that much of a difference, sonically?

But, if I listen to the Pistols and Joy Division, there's a distinct difference there.

Pere Ubu exist to undermine this argument.

The Batlord · 08-02-2020, 09:02 PM

Yeah never forget that "punk" doesn't exist. It's a media term invented to put a certain group of artists into a box to sell the idea of their being one cohesive thing to an audience. The only real difference with punk is that it was a sort of spark point where, rather than just being a handful of artists connected only through influence, they were part of various scenes that were happening at the same time. "Punk" is just a snapshot of specific bands in a specific time period in the evolution of non-mainstream rock music. It doesn't actually have any inherent meaning except in deliberately drawing conclusions based on perceived similarities and interactions between the artists.

**Marie Monday** · 08-03-2020, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I've heard Television be referred to as both proto-punk and post-punk

how does that work?

Chronologically they're proto-punk but they sound quite post-punk to me

SGR · 08-03-2020, 12:59 PM

Ah, genre definition debates, the crème de la crème of MusicBanter discussions. Can we do grunge next? Or is that not punk enough?

The Batlord · 08-03-2020, 03:29 PM

Who gives a **** about grunge genre debates? I mean who the **** really needs to know if Screaming Trees are actually the same genre as Gruntruck?

The Batlord · 08-03-2020, 03:31 PM

Oh and btw I wouldn't really be willing to call The Cars a favorite band but they've got god tier pop hooks.

Anteater · 08-03-2020, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

punk pumped up the idea in the popular sphere that there could be such a thing as the non-mainstream

that you could be in pop music and be broke and/or a ****ing weirdo

leading to an explosion of all these exciting individuals who wouldn't have ever thought of themselves as musically inclined

Lol. The classic prog-rock bands had already proven that experimental, even alien sounding music could sell and build audiences independent of whatever pop flavor of the month was charting. Punk was a reaction to that and disco.

The Batlord · 08-03-2020, 07:14 PM

I thought prog proved that audiences didn't actually want the natural progression of Cream and Jimmie Hendrix because prog didn't actually sell well.

Anteater · 08-03-2020, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I thought prog proved that audiences didn't actually want the natural progression of Cream and Jimmie Hendrix because prog didn't actually sell well.

Yes's Close To Edge had over 450,000 pre-orders before it was released in 1972. Took it until 1998 to break 1 million sales though. And I think Emerson, Lake & Palmer sold way more than that.

The Batlord · 08-03-2020, 07:32 PM

So one album didn't go platinum, and another sold something or other, and how much did other prog albums sell? Cause unless prog had a bunch of high selling albums then prog failed commercially.

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