If they hold value to you then that's fine, I never said that they shouldn't hold value to anyone - but they only hold social value to me, which is due in part to the marketing that I was discussing to begin with. Also, I don't think you've demonstrated how anything I said was based on misconception other than that you seem to think that because some obscure world music genre isn't marketed by record labels that it somehow disproves my argument.

You seem to define subgenres exclusively as marketing terms. That's very wrong. Glad to help mate.

I said that they're more or less just marketing terms, bruh. I know it's a subtle difference, but it's a big difference.

You're reducing subgenres to marketing terms, whatever.

Post-Chula.

Isn't that basically what Led Zeppelin, kings of the Chula Rock sub-genre, is? Just straight forward rock with no BS? I guess, they had their share of frills, especially from Led Zeppelin IV onward. Maybe not so much in the former spirit of every song being 3 minutes or less.

Led Zeppelin had plenty of BS.

jesus christ I'm falling behind. Only update that I can give is that I like what I heard of the first Pere Ubu album and the Birthday party.

Well, fwiw the last page or so is just Frown and I arguing over the merits of sub-genres. :laughing:

Glad you liked The Birthday Party - you'd probably like The Minutemen too, now that I think about it. Definitely check out the album Double Nickels On The Dime if you haven't yet, I think that's considered post-punk.

I prefer Post-Plunk.