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Frownland 01-02-2021 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2153584)
this is just not even the same genre as pop punk, again
y

Marie Monday 01-02-2021 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2153587)
is that the dividing line?

Sex Pistols are on like Guitar Hero, they're pretty damn palatable

the term "pop punk" is for when you're talking about Avril Lavigne

the word is totally meaningless if you're trying to split hairs between OG punk bands
it's certainly not a dividing line, just an example that came to mind. Not a very good example, I'll admit that. Of course the Sex Pistols are accessible too; so are many metal bands which certainly aren't pop. There is clearly a difference in attitude and sound with the Ramones/Buzzcocks; a difference sufficiently big that I wouldn't call it splitting hairs. I find writing about music hard so I'm not good at explaining it but I think you know what I mean

Frownland 01-02-2021 04:11 PM
Pop punk was coined in 1977. Ridiculously prescient if elph's definition is right.

Marie Monday 01-02-2021 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2153588)
pop punk is a purposefully sanitized totally commercial ploy that is not at all even really trying to be the same thing
this and the Avril Lavigne comment is just your definition: you add on some negative notions which aren't part of many definitions of pop. Also, the Ramones were sanitized and commercial

Marie Monday 01-02-2021 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2153592)
I think terms like Hardcore Punk and Anarcho Punk exist with the idea that Ramones are ground zero Punk

to retroactively go back and call Ramones pop punk because they aren't Subhumans is super weird

Ramones are not in a genre they are the genre
um all genres are retroactive. A band can be both punk and pop punk; pop punk is a subgenre. *insert obligatory venn diagram*

Marie Monday 01-02-2021 04:28 PM
^well not all genres, but still
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2153596)
I've known plenty of pop punk fans and they wouldn't even disagree

they wouldn't want to be confused with icky weirdo punks who probably don't bathe

that there might be some crossover in appeal with Ramones aka The Greatest Band of All Time isn't that consequential to me
I never thought you'd use the opinions of normies to back up your argument ;)

But like I said, I think it depends on your definition, and your definition is too loaded imo
btw, I wouldn't even call Avril Lavigne punk based on what I've heard of her, just pop

Marie Monday 01-02-2021 04:34 PM
and who are (((those guys)))?

Frownland 01-02-2021 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2153602)
its whole purpose is to say "we are not those guys" in terms of its audience lol
Yeah that's not how genre works.

You share a label with the Bad People. Everyone does. Quit fronting with this jwb type beat.

Paul Smeenus 01-02-2021 04:48 PM
Definitely my favorite pop-punk album

Psy-Fi 01-03-2021 06:30 AM
https://i.ibb.co/Fh3LDhC/B.jpg

Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady (1979)


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