*sings in head* shake it like a polaroid picture shake it shake shake it shake it shake shake it ;)

Ugh

They were never really hardcore hip-hop to begin with. It wasn't the beginning of the end for them at all. Yes, it did turn them into 'MTV darlings' as you call them but only because Stankonia appealed to so many people. It still retained that funky, original style Outkast have always had but this time it was twisted into a way that would be accepted by MTV and would eventually lead to Outkast being labelled as sell-outs. This wasn't Outkast's doing at all. People criticise Speakerboxxx/Love Below for 'trying to appeal to the masses'. This is true for a few of the songs on there (Roses and The Way you Move) but if you listen to the album(s) as a whole then you will see that Outkast is still a cool, original duo that has been made into MTV-ites through no fault of their own.

And these are the type of people who give them that image.

I don't mean hardcore in the "gangsta-thug" sense but in that they were the embodiment of hip hop in its truest form. While I don't think that they made a conscious decision to become "MTV darlings" so to speak, the fact remains that they did change their style to become more accessible to fans outside their core audience. It's not like I want to hate on them. Actually it's quite the opposite. I really wanted to like their newer work but at the end of the day it just didn't measure up. Even you admit as much in previous posts. Creative... funky... original? Yes. Hip-hop? Not so much.

Why is it depressing hobo? Is it because its popular? Or played on the radio? No one on the planet that liked that kind of music thought it was bad enough to be "disappointing"...it wreaks of desperation for acceptance around here.

Thats because 99 percent of the people that did like it were new fans. Just about any long time Outcast fan will tell you that it was in fact a disapointing album.

They were hip-hop on the Stankonia album but they did change their style on the Speakerboxxx/Love Below album. They didn't do it to appeal to the masses though-that album was anything but a crowd pleaser. It was a unique double album that was accepted for the masses because of it's unique-ness. Yes they DID change their style to appeal to people outside of their core audience, but hip-hop is in desperate need of originality and Outkast are the most original Hip Hop group out there. And yes, they are hip-hop. They just had some time off:)

I never said it was depressing. I just dislike the fact that Speakerboxxx/Love Below is leading ahead of 4 far superior albums.

Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik........dre singing an all that is ****

Then don't put it on there...holy crap.

Hobo you're so musically educated

There now go back to saying what you think not what you think makes people think your smart.

atliens is for sure elevators is a classic

That is what I think-so I'm not allowed to have my opinions now? I put Speakerboxxx/Love Below on there because it is an Outkast album and it would save all those people that would post 'how come Speakerboxxx/Love Below is not on there' their time. I was suprised to see Speakerboxxx/Love Below get the most votes, that's why I commented on it. And I have picked up on other peoples comments because they are the type of people who have heard Hey Ya and have decided that Speakerboxxx/Love Below is the best album based upon that song, and have not heard many if any tracks from the previous albums. You seem to have run out of things to argue about, and now you are just scraping the barrel. I await your probable PM telling me how intelligent you are and how stupid I am.

Im sorry I didn't see this earlier. What makes you assume that Hey Ya is the reason their picking SB/LB over any of the others? Just on Andre's side you have:

Happy Valentines Day
Draculas Wedding
Roses
Take off your cool
Love Hater

Which are all valid reasons to pick that disc. You arrogance and ignorance to why someone would pick that disc was apparent before, but now that its no long speculation and is fact, I'd like to ask why you made an assumption that people were picking the CD on the strength of Hey Ya? The idea that people are picking songs because its on the radio is nothing short of pubecent musical snobbery.

Also, I might as well not PM you since the last time I did that you posted it in a public forum, lest we not forget.

Speakerboxxx/Love below dude. Tough question, though.

I made a snap judgement and guessed that the kid had only heard a few Outkast songs and the ones he heard consisted of what I would deem as 'the new bollocks.' And guess what, I was right. The kid had hardly heard any Outkast songs and had only (I assume) owned Speakerboxxx/Love Below. So if this kid has never heard any of the old albums in their sublime entirety then how can he possibly judge this?
Oh and by the way, about the whole posting your PM on the public forum thing-I won't do that anymore, so feel free to send me one insulting my apparent lack of intelligence for making a judgement that in fact ended up to be true, and of course don't forget to mention that I apparently have no musical intelligence based upon the fact that I recognise Speakerboxxx/Love Below for what it truly is-a disappointing, failed experiment. The album was average, but not up to Outkast standards in any way. As for the songs you mentioned, Love Hater and Dracula's Wedding really shouldn't win a spot on that list over Spread and a day in the life of Benjamin Andre should they?

I personally think Dracula's Wedding is an amazing track. Love Hater is give or take, but DW had the outkast irreverence, as well as a nice funk feel to it and was an all around decent track. Come on, its beena while but doesn't he say something about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? Thats class.

I will now to procede to PM you and undermine your opinon.

:d

Dracula's Wedding did have the Outkast irreverence and many other factors that make them brilliant, but for me the song didn't grab me by the ears like Outkast songs should do. The beat was catchy though, if only for a short while.

the only great album is Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik. the other ones are pretty weak, and i like all kinds of rap. atliens only had the Elevators & two dope boyz in a cadillac tracks. aquemini: rosa parks, return of the g & skew it on the bar-b. stankonia: gasoline dreams, so fresh so clean, b.o.b., ms jackson & gangsta ****. speakerboxxx/love below: roses, the way u move & about 3 others on big boi's disk. the album big boi and dre present.... is completely garbage. the whole world and hey ya joints are the wackest they ever made. notice most of the songs i mentioned were videos thats because they know those were the best tracks on their albums, cash money does the same thing.

Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik was a great album, but I wouldn't say it was the best. It was the purest 'rap' album that Outkast have ever managed to do, but it was missing that psychadelic straight up funk that kits you with their other albums. For me it goes....

1st: Stankonia
2nd: Aquemini
3rd: ATLiens
4th: Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
5th: Speakerboxxx/Love Below
6th: Big Boi and Dre Present... Outkast

Aquemini, and Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik at a close second.

Well its not their best work but i think Speakerboxx/Love..etc
probably made them even bigger than they were..it really hit with the public
so that would prolly be their best decision album

what!?:bonkhead:

I think Stankonia was the album that really shot them into the public eye and gained them mainstream success.

Yeah, MS.Jackson was one of the first rap songs i really liked.

i've only heard Stankonia and Speakerboxxx

prefer only the Speakerboxxx part and not the Love Below part, except when Andre's directly imitating Prince (dry funk grooves)

so Speakerboxxx is my fave of the two (three?)

I agree with you on that one, Speakerboxx is clearly the superior of the two.

I just wasn't feeling the whole mushy love story crap in Love Below.

the mushy love crap is hardly as good as those on Maxwell's Embrya

Happy Valentine's Day and Behold...A Lady are pretty good Prince pastiches

the only remotely original-sounding song is Dracula's Wedding

yeah Maxwell is grammy worthy with his love songs.

I respect him for it.

I honestly like Southernplayalistic the best, with every album getting worse as they went along. That's not to say I don't enjoy all of their albums, I just like their first the most and their last the least.

Eh i thought they matured a lot on ATliens. My problem with outkast is that they're music is always quite original and groundbreaking at the time, with one of the few good primarily rock sampled rap albums Stankonia, and then a getting really flamboyent and singy-songey on Love Below, however it never holds up.

Once they lose their novelty you realize the actual music isn't quite as above and beyond other mainstream hip hop artists as the reviews would have believe.

**** im not able to structure my sentences well at all right now

I understand that's your personal opinion but I disagree!

come on dude, i know im guilty of it too, but like include some kind-off reason or like point to the post.


Like that post takes away the whole point of the site.

yeah yeah , I was a bit haste with my reply that I didn't elaborate.

I meant music-wise they have grown ever since Stankonia imo.

I love Speakerboxx/The Love Below, but mostly for the second half, so i'll go with Stankonia.

From Stankonia to Idlewild to Speakerboxx/The Love Below. The music/production on all three of those are top notch.

I wouldn't even say they got better it's just that they changed up a bit from the heavy funk direction they started out borrowing from.

I was torn momentarily between ATLiens and Aquemini but Aquemini has too many stand-out classics on the album and the beats/production are sublime.

Aquemini is by far their best album. It was like the sun, the moon and stars lined up perfectly for that album. Beat wise it's incredible, 3000 and Big destroyed it lyrically...you can't lose with that album!

Stankonia for me as well......

Aquemini for me.