Is Hip-Hop Being Irresponsible?

**Janszoon** · 07-15-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

Mein Kampf

Hooray for Goodwin's law.

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

the rappers obvoiusly have this swagger and pride in what they rap about that might spawn imitators

whereas stuff like Marilyn Manson is just hokey crap

I guess I don't see the difference. And neither, apparently, did all the silly people who were so up in arms about Marilyn Manson during the 90s.

Howard the Duck · 07-15-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I guess I don't see the difference. And neither, apparently, did all the silly people who were so up in arms about Marilyn Manson during the 90s.

i think i only found the second album that bit offensive

all the others it's quite apparent he wasn't all that serious

**Janszoon** · 07-15-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i think i only found the second album that bit offensive

all the others it's quite apparent he wasn't all that serious

Now we just need to get you to apply that same level of thinking to hip hop.

Howard the Duck · 07-15-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Now we just need to get you to apply that same level of thinking to hip hop.

the marketing and packaging applied to most of the macho bullsh*t spewing in hip-hop and how the rappers conduct themselves, whether in real life, or in interviews, seems to suggest to me that they are meant to be taken seriously and realistically, and not just escapist fantasy

djchameleon · 07-15-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

the marketing and packaging applied to most of the macho bullsh*t spewing in hip-hop and how the rappers conduct themselves, whether in real life, or in interviews, seems to suggest to me that they are meant to be taken seriously and realistically, and not just escapist fantasy

What I don't think you are taking into consideration is that before they made it big, they were actually going through most of those things that they rap about but the difference is that now they have money....they don't go through the same issues that they used to and they shouldn't be taken seriously like they still do when we know that they live in a big mansion with doctors, lawyers and dentists as neighbors.

Sparky · 07-16-2011, 12:08 AM

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I don't know friend. I see your perspective but I disagree with almost all of it.

I was born in 87. By the time I was 11 I had Windows 98 and a slow internet connection. I was downloading free music by '99. That being said, most didn't and I was one of the few always coming up with new bands and even genres to listen to, etc. because most were just on CDs from shows and/or radio and/or tv. Yes, the playing field is level now that nearly everyone is online, but you must know that not everyone has computer, internet, or a smartphone, even in America.

I think it's misguided to assume your own personal expireanes really reflect whats going on with the whole music listening populace.

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Also, besides us folks on MB and the like, the general populace doesn't care enough about music or 'have enough time' to research their favorite bands music tree, or branch out to new things. The average person gets online, checks email and facebook, and signs off. Those in the position to download new songs might hear about a new artist from a friend or blog or something and download a few tracks, maybe an album. They might go so far as to check out older albums or maybe top recommended similar material, but that's about it. It's a snails pace in terms of finding new stuff. I treated finding new, great music like a job for a while, hunting, crate digging, staying up to the wee hours of the morning listening and rating, going through 10 albums a day at least, and still not had enough. I still haven't finished. But I have 5,000 5 star tracks and 16,000 5+4.5 star tracks, which is what I throw on random and chill to. Your average human being doesn't have that dedication to do that, or even half of that. Your average person is so distracted multi-tasking watching "Robot Chicken/So You Think You Can Dance", chatting/texting, and having other interests plus the false sense of contentment of having 'enough' music that most people don't realize there is anything else out there to be desired. Even when they come across something 'unique and different' aka they've stumbled upon a new genre or sound they treat that as an end, like "Oh man, this is all I need out of this sound of music, this is perfect" when they're barely brushing the surface, etc.

Long story short: they have the tools to do so, but most don't use them. Most don't even know there's better stuff out there, and most don't know the classics, of any genre.

But dude, with the internet people with good taste in music are also far more influential. I can make a tweet with an artist i like and 500 people will see it simultaneously.

I think most people just like cheap pop music, it really is no different now then in the past. It has nothing to do with less alternatives or corrupt studio's, people just like stupid ****, same as with any other entertainment.

djchameleon · 07-16-2011, 03:59 AM

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I think most people just like cheap pop music, it really is no different now then in the past. It has nothing to do with less alternatives or corrupt studio's, people just like stupid ****, same as with any other entertainment.

This is very true

TockTockTock · 07-17-2011, 09:04 AM

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They do indeed. However, I think your experiences is a good example that many people aren't really aware of it. People really just listen for the beats.

A lot of popular hip hop songs discuss rape and murder in a positive light. It honestly doesn't bother me too much, but I'm so disencitized to it at this point.

Could you give me a few examples?

**Janszoon** · 07-17-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

the marketing and packaging applied to most of the macho bullsh*t spewing in hip-hop and how the rappers conduct themselves, whether in real life, or in interviews, seems to suggest to me that they are meant to be taken seriously and realistically, and not just escapist fantasy

Well, like I said before, that's how a lot of people viewed Marilyn Manson as well. That doesn't mean you should generally take the stuff seriously.

Petroley · 07-24-2011, 03:28 PM

Well, if you have your own mind and your own conscience, then there is no song that could make you using drogs or others sh*t like that! Listen a music, enjoy music, enjoy Hip Hop, but DO NOT TRY IT AT HOME

Peace

07-24-2011, 03:28 PM	#60 (permalink)
Petroley Groupie Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Zenica, Bosnia Posts: 6	Well, if you have your own mind and your own conscience, then there is no song that could make you using drogs or others sh*t like that! Listen a music, enjoy music, enjoy Hip Hop, but DO NOT TRY IT AT HOME Peace