Who is the best rapper?
 

Do you like Wiz Khalifa?

lol this thread is dope

No.

Give a listen to Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. It's probably the greatest R&B record of all time, among the overall greatest albums of all time and one of the most political albums ever released.

Also, the pop sensibility of R&B in the 50's helped people like Elvis cross the genre over into white audiences, and forge Rock n Roll. I can't remember who said it, but it was along the lines of: "R&B and Rock and Roll are the same music. The difference is R&B was black music and Rock and Roll was white music".

It's safe to say R&R had a big influence on hip-hop/rap, and R&B made it possible. So many of the 'genres' we have today are so interconnected, I imagine things would be completely different if one of them were to disappear.

Wiz Khalifa is pretty trash in my opinion. He's like a retarded version of Curren$y. Some of his early stuff was just slightly interesting, nothing more.

lame, he shouldn't have edited his post. it was pretty hilarious to me when I first read it but didn't comment on it at the time.

Sure, modern hip hop borrows heavily on soul and R&B samples. I think hip hop would still be able to exist without it though. The origins of hip hop is just having the dj spin a record and having an MC rhyme over it. There are plenty other genres to sample and scratch up to get the acquired sound.


As far as Wiz goes, I listen to him but I know he's nothing spectacular. I just enjoy a few songs from him.

R &B, Hip-Hop, rap... the difference is minimal. They have all helped each other evolve and survive in the modern, contemporary music industry. Wiz Khalifa is a great artist.

Listen to stuff thats deeper than what you hear on the charts before you make a statement like that, otherwise you look like an uneducated fool.

Here's two examples, one is an r'n'b song, one is a rap song. They both have the same instrumental, so it should be easier for you to decipher the difference





Minimal difference? How about songs that dont have the same instrumental, see if there is a big difference there...





Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between r'n'b and rap.

As for Wiz Khalif ai like a few of his mixtapes, but his recent stuff and his albums have been pretty dire in comparison.

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No I really doubt it, most of the melodies and arrangements behind the the original pioneering rap songs were sampled from R&B music. It is what made rap back then so intoxicating. Now you can't hear any R&B without HipHop plastered all over it. How ironic. R&B created Hip hop and Hiphop eventually killed it.

Probably not. However, I think more importantly, Hip Hop couldn't exist without Jazz Beatnik poetry of the 50s, and 60s.

I don't know the answer regarding R&B but I really don't think a small contingent of 1950s white intellectuals sipping coffee in San Francisco have much to do with the advent of hip-hop at all.
Of course there are obvious parallels in retrospect but no way can the Beats claim responsibility for underprivileged minorities in the South Bronx breakdancing in the streets 20 years later.

I can't believe this is a thread lol

Maybe not, but they were exploring elements of rhythmic spoken word which I think often sounds very similar even if not as refined, natural, and a tad bit more pretentious than hip-hop.

I think the creative process is very similar. Stream of conscious thought expressed over minimalist rhythms. Playing with words, often improvised, for their syllable sounds, and dramatic effect.

It may not be a direct influence but a definitive precursor, no matter what anyone says.

Take it easy, I'll give you precursor. More to rapping than all of hip-hop but you've made a good point.

Why is that?

This particular single, would've never existed if it hadn't been for Hip-Hop.



Christian Metal, Nu-Metal, Rap Metal (2001).

If you're trying to shock and disgust me then you've succeeded.
But if your post has anything to do with R&B's influence on hip-hop then you've got some explaining to do.

What do I need an explanation for?

Concerning what? (R&Bs influence on Hip-Hop)? Or, why you feel both shock and disgust?

Hip-Hop originated solely in African-American communities during the 1970s in New York City, specifically the Bronx. (Blues?..R&B?..)

You..tell me?

rap is just another thing the blacks stole from white people, along with swag and dunking

The first post is "Do you like Wiz Khalifa?" which has little relevance to the title of this thread. Furthermore, the title is a joke.
But, after mulling over on your question for hours, I have come to the conclusion that we should make all ridiculous hypothetical questions into threads.

I've been telling people this for years.

..or Jamaican 'toasting' over sound systems in the late 60's/ early 70's.

The initial post before it was edited had everything to do with the title and was a bit lengthy.

So, instead of talking about Wiz, people decided to continue the discussion

.. having its roots in reggae, disco and funk.