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Originally Posted by $treetwise (Post 186988)

The fact is that Ice Cube was and is an innovator of rap. Without Dre, Eminem would be nothing, which he already is. I'm not saying that Nas is bad, I am simply saying that Ice Cube and MC Ren are better. You are the one that is emphasizing how long Ice and Nas have been rapping, and yet you say that it dont matter how long they been rapping? Whatever, I really couldn't care less. You wouldn't wipe your ass with my opinions? Thats fine, but it astounds me that you think you know who are the greatest rappers of all time, yet you give me no reasons except that you say they are. Plus, you claim that Kanye West is one of the greatest rappers of all time, when he has put out 2 albums, thats like saying that Vanilla Ice is the best white rapper of all time because he put out a couple of hits.

A truely great rapper is respected and acknowledged by his piers, past and present, not 16 year old bobbleheads on a internet forum.

Like I said before, I dont want to drag this out.

Mc Ren better than Nas, :laughing:

Whatever you say

My Top 10 (not in any particular order)

Tupac Shakur
Bizzy Bone
Eminem
Omar Kadir
Lupe Fiasco
Notoious BIG
Andre 3000
Drake
Nav The Shah
Lil Wayne

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 186964)

I also find it amusing that Bill says that this is the "best rappers, not the favorite rappers", and on his list he includes Eminem, but not The Notorious B.I.G., MC Ren, or Ice Cube, all of whom, are better than Nas.

Eminem is undeniably one of the greatest lyricists hip hop has ever seen. His complex rhyme schemes, use of multiple syllable rhymes, assonance rhyming and various other techniques as well as his complex rhythms are close to perfect. His ability in lyricism easily surpasses someone like Biggie who was average at best.

Fair enough he sucks now but in his prime there is only about four other rappers in the entire history of hip hop who could keep up with him lyrically.

And outside of lyricism his delivery is again superior to the vast majority of rappers past or present. His flow is solid and his topic choice and ability to pull in his audience, capturing their imagination, their emotions, their mind and being able to make them relate to every single word is outstanding.

The way I am, Kim and Sing for the Moment > The combined careers of Biggie, Cube and Ren.

Eminem
pac
biggie
lil wayne
jay z
eazy e
dr. dre
E-40
mac dre
gucci mane

@CA: you do realize you're responding to a post I made four years ago, right? Okay, just clarifying...

If it makes you feel any better I'll post a revised list.

The GZA
Snoop
Big L
Ice Cube
Mos Def
Guru
Del
MF DOOM
Nas
Tupac

Ultimately, Eminem will never make a best rappers list that I can agree with.

I'm fine with you disagreeing with my list, I'll even admit Snoop is a questionable choice (Let's just pencil in Rakim's name instead), but I'm curious as to what your criteria is because Ice Cube and Mos Def are two very good performers and lyricists. Why don't you post your own list as well, so I can see what constitutes greatness to the guy who thinks AZ is better than Nas.

1.)Chuck D.
2.)MF Doom
3.) Biggie
4.)Raekwon
5.)Pharoah Monch
6.)Rakim
7.)KRS-one
8.)Andre 3000
9.)Aesop Rock
10.)Mos Def

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 831348)

AZ is unarguably a better lyricist than Nas. Anyone who knows the first thing about lyricism will tell you that. Nas might be more entertaining (subjective) or choose better topics etc (again, subjective) but he is less than half the lyricist AZ is.

Ice Cube is NOT a good lyricist. His lyrical ability is almost zero. He's a decent entertainer I'll give you that as is mos def. But that doesn't merit being in the top ten rappers of all time.

My list (posted in the other thread ages ago)

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome (Post 751777)

Well i'm not sure which list to post so i'm posting three top 10's. The first is the top 10 rappers who i think influenced rap or helped move it forward and helped it to evolve in some sort of awesome way. The second list is who i think the 10 best rappers are and the final list is my favourite 10 rappers.

feel free to hate..

Top 10 rappers who influenced rap heavily or helped it evolve in some awesome way
1. Grandmaster flash and the furious 5
2. DJ Kool Herc
3. KRS-ONE
4. The Sugarhill Gang
5. Public Enemy
6. Run DMC
7. Big Daddy Kane
8. A Tribe Called Quest
9. The Beastie Boys
10. Will Smith

Top 10 rappers of all time I dont really like saying whos number 1 and whos number 10 so basically they're just in a rough order.

1. Eminem (anything before encore)
2. Big Daddy Kane
3. Big Pun
4. Big L
5. Naughty by Nature
6. Jurassic 5
7. Hilltop Hoods
8. Bliss n Eso
9. The Freestyle Masons
10. Wu Tang Clan

My top 10 favourite rappers (no particular order)
- Eminem (before encore)
- Tupac
- Hilltop Hoods
- Bliss n Eso
- Jurassic 5
- Mike Shinoda
- Respek BA
- Stig of the dump aka stevie ****head
- Pez
- Big Daddy Kane

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome (Post 831497)

. He's a decent entertainer I'll give you that as is mos def.

Mos Def is a great lyricist. Listen to Black Star

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Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns (Post 60574)

10. Tech n9ne

Word.
I don't see him on enough lists, and he's the most diverse Hip-Hop artist I know of.