Nobody says anything because the black community that you are trying to defend actually loves those songs.

realtalk i hear what u are sayin and pretty much agree with all of it tho i do think youre kinda sayin in an indirect way that rich white guys are ruinin black culture thru hip hop. which is somewhat true i guess my point is that its less of a race thing for ppl in that industry and more of a moneygrab and that blacks are doin it as well. i would give some blame to the rappers where you dont. i think guys at the top of the food chain are very aware of their image, lyrics, etc and willfully do all the negative stuff that comes with the black stereotypes. clearly theres a blueprint and path for success and guys are always gonna eventually hop on and off of that path if its makin dollars

a somewhat side note i dont really understand the 'black community' as its a singular voice or entity or whatever u wanna call it.

And why do you think the urban communities loves those songs?

Why do you think the black youth loves those songs?


They love it because its being targeted at them. The industry is specifically targeting these exploitative songs towards those demographics.

Nobody says nothing because America's priorities are screwed up on the real issues that need to be addressed and unfortunately black people always get the short end and are always falsely represented.


I personally find it offensive because you have black kids listening to these songs believing these songs and these false images. The music does not fairly reflect the hip hop culture and African American's. It's not right...

I agree with this point and I did acknowledge that the rappers are to blame as well. Because their are alot of rappers that are glorified on this site that are a BIG part of the problem

I just wanted to make the point that when it comes to those major labels, a lot of those rappers do not have control over the type of music they make but at the end of the day they do ultimately have a choice. They can stay on those labels and make gimmicky exploitative music for a few dollars or go the independent route.

Which is why I said I have a lot of respect for MC's who stay true to their craft and most importantly stay true to hip hop. I will always support those MC's and admire them because their is no money in making real hip hop music anymore which is why its so easy for any mediocre wanna be rapper to sign on a major label and come out with a ignorant anthem.

When I say "black community", I am talking about African Americans, black culture, black images, black representations etc.

I think its a money issue as well as race issue. The industry is perpetuating these negative, exploitative and degrading images/stereotypes of black people.


I do agree with a lot of the points you made as well.

You should find it more offensive that the certain black kids are not willing to take responsibility for their actions. You can try to blame it on the industry and media all you want but kids don't have to fall for material that is targeted at them. Parents should be more involved as well to let them know the crap they are listening to isn't **** that goes down in real life.

There's a big hip-hop (skip-hop) culture in Australia and well... they're white boys. I don't think I've heard a black man make Austrailian hip-hop.

Which is good... because hip-hop here I find horrid. Aussie speak + hip-hop = really bad.

Anyway this re-instates my point about different cultures in today's hip-hop age.

Whether we want it to or not, rap does "indirectly" influence audiences but my main issue with it is how black people are being falsely exploited. Instead of negatively representing black people, I think the current rappers can positively showcase their strengths whether kids listen to their music or not.

Everybody is influence by what they hear and see and form stereotypes and misconceptions so its not just kids that can potentially be affected.
Its not JUST rap music though, its music in general and everything around us (that influences).

Your right parents need to step up and teach their children BUT music most definitely can also have a great impact on how we view the world around us. It especially has a tremendous impact on young people and is also another source in how they learn and are influence. So yes, by default, it does teach audiences something

These so called "socially conscious" rappers that call them self political need to put their money where their mouth is and go out in these communities and enlighten the youth instead of sabotaging their brains with bullsh#$

There is a lot of white rappers in Russia. If you're interested I can suggest a few you could listen too.

In New Zealand there is a decent hip hop scene. Australia apparently has a hip hop scene according to a friend.

@Realtalk

i don't think you can blame the record companies for how these rap artist choose to express themselves..

you telling me 'Bitches, hoes, bling' was invented by the white man?

No this black exploitation started from within the black community they are the ones who keep glorifying that thug lifestyle..

And ofc if there is a buck to made in that the white man is gonna jump at it and make it a product.. that's expected but the creative control always start by what the artists is saying and they build a brand around that.

i don't think you can absolve black ppl from how their current culture behaves or promotes

To add to what Black Francis is saying, there are also powerful black people doing the exploiting as well. So it's not just oh some white guy executive alone doing it.

This thread is starting to make me think of this article I read about Suge saying that Jimmy Iovine is in the KKK. The whole "white man" mentality like they are the only ones responsible. pfft.

Yes because that is not Hip hop.

Hip hop was created in the ghettos and in the slums. It was created through hardships black youth/minorities endure and they used that as an outlet. It reflected a culture and lifestyle. "Bling Bling" "Money" "Rims" has nothing to do with that. That was something the establishment made to exploit black people in the worse way which is why this issue is not only about greed but it is also about racism as well. Yea I will admit that we are responsible for kissing the man's ass but we most certainly did not create this false hip hop that they push on the radio.

Hip Hop is more than just a genre and when people understand that this whole discussion will get put in perspective. Rap music did not just suddenly change into gutter garbage because "rappers" invented that. The industry did that because hip hop was viewed as a "threat" because of what the real MC's was expressing in the music The "truth" is always threatening. Now it more controlled where they control what is being said and what is being said is not hip hop. People really need to open their mind and think deeply about these issues and not so surface. Its always interesting to see people of the different persuasion blaming black people for their own depictions but I guess it is easier for them to do that since they are not the ones being falsely represented.

Bling bling, money and rims reflects their current lifestyle and it's better to rap about what they know than to pretend they are some social activists trying to look out for the good of the community. People wouldn't buy that ****. well maybe you would but it would come across as fake as the whole persona that rappers make up about being thugs and dealing drugs when they aren't about that life.

Social commentary still exists in hip hop it's just more underground now and there are only a select few mainstream artists that still make social commentary.

LOL


There is a hell of a lot more to hip hop than just "drug dealing" and poverty. Hip Hop tells a story. Hip Hop is honest. Hip Hop is sincere. Hip Hop BRINGS up social issues. Hip Hop ENLIGHTENS. Hip Hop INSPIRES.

The issue has nothing to do with these individual rappers specifically. The issue is that the INDUSTRY wants to promote a certain type of image and a certain type of music and they want to market that as hip hop when it isn't.

The same argument that you are making can go for the "bling bling" as well because that doesn't reflect hip hop and that is not being true to hip hop. That is a industry made image

My issue is this:

If these rappers want to rap about bling bling and how much richer they are than me.... fine LOL I dont care... because they are not getting none of this peasants money LOL I just wish they didn't make interviews bullsh!tting that what they are making is hip hop. Don't make interviews implying that your music is authentic and is prolific when it isn't.

I personally am not looking for these rapper's to pretend to be something that they arent but I do have a problem with how black people are being exploited which is a much bigger issue.

Alot of people drink the kool aid... I dont.



Yea I agree

This is why I previously said you can not be rich and continue to make raw hip hop because that is not something the mainstream industry is trying to promote.

Since you are going that route and you have been this whole time. About Hip Hop being a culture. Hip Hop's culture has changed over the decades since it first started. Just because it WAS that way in the past. It's not that way not for the most part because the culture has changed and it's something you have to accept or don't. You can keep living in the glory years of Hip Hop and listen to only the type that you like.

You're right hip hop has progressed but it just simply does not accurately reflect the culture in the mainstream industry. It is a difference between progression and fraudulent.

I actually listen to current MC's that still make hip hop

You listen to current MCs that make hip hop that was relevant during the 80s and early 90s. That isn't the current state of hip hop but how it was in the past.

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lol I listen to current new millennium rappers as well although yes my specialty is the eras that you mentioned but the point is I still listen to new rappers.

I simply will not accept the establishments white washed caricature of hip hop which is why I don't listen to the radio or support these label made rap gimmicks.

You're right hip hop has progressed but it just simply does not accurately reflect the culture in the mainstream industry. It is a difference between progression and exploitation.

I want to see new ones
 

Where are the great indie rappers at? I want great music as well!!

This sounds vaguely familiar. Hmmmm... oh yeah, someone had same idea more or less except in the punk thread.

There's plenty of new hip-hop that exists without the "white washed" caricaturization.

I know that.... but I am talking about in the "mainstream".

I didn't read your post carefully enough, my bad. Like punk though, Hip-Hop is for the most part kind of a counter-culture and so mainstream representations are never going to be accurate. No one who really listens to punk thinks of a band like Blink 182 as a genuine punk band, likewise no one who really listens to hip-hop thinks of Drake as a real rapper. I could be wrong on this- I am pretty new to the genre but everything I've seen, heard, and been around leads me to think the way I do about it.

Somewhat related, the same corporate dickheads that commercialized hip-hop are the ones who commercialized punk and also many other genres. Whether they're white or not really has nothing to do with it, they're just a bunch of suits tryna make a dime off anything they can that smells of zeitgeist.

Good points, rap music is not the only music that is falsely represented. However, its a genre that exploits black people. There is not alot of black or even white people being exploited in punk music. At least I don't think


There are alot of people that think that the music and images that they see in rap music are "real reflections of the hip hop culture". So there are people that do believe those images are true.

No, I don't think so. It's almost like saying people that watch movies thinks those are actual real life events instead of fiction.

Your favorite Lupe did a video related to those images though.

Thanks for the vid!


However, there are people that subconsciously believe in those stereotypes. There isn't a lot of people that are as smart as you and can't tell the difference between something that is just being shown on t.v. versus something that is actually "real".

To answer the question, no. Most of todays big rappers aren't white, but it is inevitable that more and more will be white. Most rap is American and most Americans are white. But who cares if its good rap then its good rap.

I didn't even bother reading a single post. The title of this thread makes me shake my head.

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Dude, your sig is creeping me out.

She is always watching and closer than you think!

Is that Nicki Minaj? If so then I am even more terrified. Dolls animated by unholy energy are horrifying.

Nope, I think that's actually a real person's eyes. Closer is a chica.

A smoldering chica.

yep if I remember correctly she did post a picture of herself.

Oh I think I remember her. Now it's even more disconcerting now that I know it's the poster's actual eyes looking into my soul and finding me wanting.

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We don't necessarily believe that there is a fear from any parties concerning a more caucasian market entering the hip-hop community.

Hip-Hop and Rap have always been extremely competitive, and it has always been part of the culture to include racial biases in the music. It's just the way of hip-hop.

On another note, we as people can no longer control what's "in" and what's "out". The radio decides this just by deciding what music to put into rotation. When a single gets hammered into people's heads 4 times a day on their commute to and from work, the track is more likely to become a chart topper and people will demand for it.

Society doesn't choose trends, it's the media that does.

I think Eminem is better than Jay Z and Kanye but I disagree with him being "The Best"

White people have been integral to the rise of rap/hip hop since the early days.

Arguably the first big rap album to infiltrate the consciousness of the music buying public at large was Beastie Boys - Licence To Ill. - An album by 3 white guys, produced by Rick Rubin (a white guy with a big beard)

Run DMC had achieved some success before that, but their real big break came when they collabed with a white rock band (Aerosmith - Walk This Way).

Back in the early 90s there was a rap group called Young Black Teenagers. All of them were white, and that was the joke. I don't think that joke could be done now, people (both blacks and whites) are too uppity. There were other white rappers in the 90s too...Milkbone, Pete Nice, MC Serch (who was also integral to signing up Nas and putting out Illmatic)... even Brian Austin Green from Beverly hills 90210 put out an album. It's pretty good.

This idea that whites are suddenly "taking over" hip hop is absurd.

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It's the same people who say that white people stole rock from black people, or act like there's some sort of injustice whenever white people and black people do the same thing, because they think their ethnicity did it first. In reality, rock was being founded in white and black music long before the 1950s. Just like how white and black people have been recording electronic/sample-based music long before rap was a thing.

If you can pinpoint a artist who kicked it all off, I'm sure you could find one of another ethnicity who was doing the same thing at about the same time. That isn't even accounting for artists who we have never and will never hear, so it's pretty silly to squabble over who belongs in what genre, or who's taking over what genre.

It's just music anyways. Just listen to it and try not to get caught up in your personal feelings about who's singing/playing it.