The Official 'Ice Cube Doesn't Get The Credit He Deserves' Thread

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by Christian Benteke

Na that's not what I said.

I realize that. I was applying the same principle to illustrate that the acts that don't make several randoms' lists of favorite artists doesn't make them underrated, or not a household name. I'm pretty sure that most people who listen to said music casually would know of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and Ice Cube.

I'm not saying he's underrated or that the casual fan doesn't know who Ice Cube is or haven't heard of him mate, I'm saying I don't think he'd be included in many top 10s of people I know around my age in this country. And I don't think Ice Cube would give a shit either since anyone who actually knows their stuff rates him.

DJ says he's a household name cos of his films, I'm not a film buff but I would struggle to name more than one film he has been in. Boyz In The Hood, there was a kid's film he did a few years ago and that's all I know tbh. I would say people like Will Smith, Natalie Portman, Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp etc are household names in movies not Ice Cube. If you're asking who the most famous actors are now Ice Cube would not be someone I think of.

What would you say constitutes being a "household name"? I think if the average hip-hop/rock fan knows who you are, then there's a pretty strong argument that you're a "household name".

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Rjinn

I don't understand. You're saying you don't expect a 13 year old to know the history of hip hop because of their age, yet he's underrated for that reason?

The poster said that the average hip hop fan would know who Ice Cube is. Hip Hop is a genre that specifically targets children and especially in that age range so we can not forget about the youth. I didn't say it was impossible but it is very unlikely a 13 year old would know the impact of artists that were before their time.


I am not going to expect a 10 year old to know about Slick Rick, Krs One, Wu Tang, NWA, etc these are rappers way before their time (10-20 year gaps) Unless you had parents that were bumping this type of music in your childhood

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Christian Benteke

Maybe it is. If I were to ask say twenty random people I know, roughly my age, I'd get answers like Jay z, Kanye, Eminem, 2pac and so on. I'd be genuinely surprised if they mentioned ice cube.

Very good

People my age are not going to know about Ice Cube and I would be surprised if they even knew he rapped and was in one of the most influential hip hop groups of all time

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

The poster said that the average hip hop fan would know who Ice Cube is. Hip Hop is a genre that specifically targets children and especially in that age range. I didn't say it was impossible but it is very unlikely a 13 year old would know the impact of artists that were before their time.


I am not going to expect a 10 year old to know about Slick Rick, Krs One, Wu Tang, NWA, etc these are rappers way before their time (10-20 year gaps) Unless you had parents that were bumping this type of music in your childhood

lol you keep going younger to prove your side of the argument.

First it was 13-25 which is already a huge age gap in thinking, then you started to just stick with the low end. 13 and now it's down to 10.

Based off of your first age range, teens normally tend to rebel from the mainstream stuff they are hearing and dig deeper. So I'm more willing to bet that teenagers know who listen to rap casually AND the ones that are hardcore fans know Slick Rick and Ice Cube.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes, I do think they'd know. When I was a thirteen year old rock fan I was well aware of all the classic rock artists that had a big impact on rock music, I see no reason to think a thirteen year old hip fan would be any different with regards to hip hop.

When I was 13 I knew about those artists as well but that was because of my father. He exposed me to the oldies at an early age but most children are not afforded the same opportunity. Unless children have parents or some type of caregiver figure that exposes them to music before their time they are not going to be knowledgeable. I never said that it was impossible but it is unlikely they would be exposed to music before their time.

Typically children are just aware of artists from their generation, current pop trends and easy accessible music.

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

Very good

People my age are not going to know about Ice Cube and I would be surprised if they even knew he rapped and was in one of the most influential hip hop groups of all time

My parents don't know the first thing about hip-hop. My dad likes Afroman for the album that has "Because I Got High" on it.... They both can identify Ice Cube by his face, voice and that he's a rapper.

Like I said, I don't think I actually know someone who hasn't at least heard of Ice Cube. I haven't asked all of them, but the point is that I know a lot of people who do know who he is, many of them aren't even fans, some of them haven't even heard his music. He is very influential, and a lot of people know who he is. I think that's a much better argument for him being rated properly than "Google search has millions of hits on 'ice cube is underrated'" is for him being underrated. That's just me, though.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

What would you say constitutes being a "household name"? I think if the average hip-hop/rock fan knows who you are, then there's a pretty strong argument that you're a "household name".

It's a bit subjective I guess, I mean:

household name
noun
1.
a person or thing that is well known by the public.

Depends which demographic you asked. I would say a household name would be known amongst all age groups and people who have an interest in that person's field or not, which wouldn't be the case for Ice Cube imo. If I asked my parents if they had heard of him I know for a fact they'd say no. But Di Caprio/Will Smith/Angelina Jolie in movies they definitely would. They would know who Jay-Z is too, maybe not Kanye West.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

This sounds like someone that doesn't know any hip hop heads(aka Hardcore fans). It doesn't matter what age they are. The internet is a thing that makes it easier to discover older artists and they would be all over Cube's material.

Ice Cube's solo albums might not get mentioned by casual fans but they definitely know who the **** NWA is.

Age does matter because age reflects music taste and interests although of course their are exceptions if you had parents/caregivers that exposed you to different music when you were a kid

The average 13 year old does not listen to 10-20 year old artists before their time unless you are cultural figures like MJ or Elvis where the music is just so easily accessible there is just no escaping it.

The only old rappers that I can think that a 13 year old might possibly be knowledgeable of is 2pac and Biggie but then again that is not a 100% guarantee. They might know who they are but not much on their music.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

lol you keep going younger to prove your side of the argument.

First it was 13-25 which is already a huge age gap in thinking, then you started to just stick with the low end. 13 and now it's down to 10.

Based off of your first age range, teens normally tend to rebel from the mainstream stuff they are hearing and dig deeper. So I'm more willing to bet that teenagers know who listen to rap casually AND the ones that are hardcore fans know Slick Rick and Ice Cube.

Well Hip Hop is a youth oriented genre so I think going lower is not that far a stretch.

I do not think this has anything to do with rebelling.

I think this is a case of children's exposure and lack of exposure to certain artists that were before their time.

It is not rational to conclude that all teenagers rebel and therefore all teenagers listen to music before their time.

How do you know that?

If we would to go off of your argument... how would you be able to tell that a teen that likes Slick Rick likes him because he is rebelling against mainstream music and not because he or she parents exposed them to Slick Rick?

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

The only old rappers that I can think that a 13 year old might possibly be knowledgeable of is 2pac and Biggie but then again that is not a 100% guarantee. They might know who they are but not much on their music.

This is definitely true for me. When I was 13 I was a big 2Pac fan, had all his albums and the vast majority of people in my school had heard Changes and that was it. And 'Notorious' by Biggie, don't even think people had heard Juicy tbh.