Any of yall still listen to Gangsta Rap?

djchameleon · 07-13-2014, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

So making up stories about outer space is creative but making up stories about life on the streets isn't? Does that mean George Lucas is creative but Martin Scorsese isn't? I don't really follow the logic there.

The stories that they are making up about life on the streets they are trying to pass off as autobiographical like they lived through it. It just comes off sounding super fake.

They aren't just rapping about fictional tales that's the difference.

Edit: also that example doesn't really mesh with what I'm talking about. People go into a Marty movie expecting fiction.
I know art doesn’t have to be real. An author has the right to write a fictional novel. He just has to say it’s a work of fiction. An actor can make a film, playing a role far from their real selves. We just know they’re acting. Gangsta rappers write lyrics as if it's part of their every day life and it isn't.

That is one of the reasons that people are over gangsta rap.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-13-2014, 08:37 AM

Only really The Chronic, Doggystyle and the two NWA albums. I love the production.

**Janszoon** · 07-13-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

The stories that they are making up about life on the streets they are trying to pass off as autobiographical like they lived through it. It just comes off sounding super fake.

They aren't just rapping about fictional tales that's the difference.

They are fictional tales though, you just said they were made up.

djchameleon · 07-13-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

They are fictional tales though, you just said they were made up.

the rappers are attempting to pass it off as real life events that they go through though.

Nachoman13 · 07-14-2014, 02:22 AM

I think what would have been a better example for DJ would be Paranormal Activity, because it's a tad unrealistic yet tries to pass itself off as being based on a true story

**Janszoon** · 07-14-2014, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

the rappers are attempting to pass it off as real life events that they go through though.

How so? All I see is people playing characters, no different from MF Doom playing a supervillain.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 07-14-2014, 09:36 AM

I enjoy some music of Ice Cube. He is the one who was the pioneer of Rap music especially west coast rap music. The best rapper is Kendrick Lamar.

Black Francis · 07-14-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

So making up stories about outer space is creative but making up stories about life on the streets isn't? Does that mean George Lucas is creative but Martin Scorsese isn't? I don't really follow the logic there.

i think you and Dj both have a good point but i don't think comparing rap with films is a good exmpl cause films are expected to indulge fantasies where as in rap is expected to be real for street cred, a rapper that talks about his past days of being a gangsta is expected to not be full of sh*t he can never admit it's a fantasy cause it breaks the illusion..

both mediums are judged differently imo

Nachoman13 · 07-14-2014, 10:23 AM

Well said Black Francis

**Janszoon** · 07-14-2014, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

i think you and Dj both have a good point but i don't think comparing rap with films is a good exmpl...

I think it's pretty apt actually, considering how much inspiration rap music has drawn from films.

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

...cause films are expected to indulge fantasies where as in rap is expected to be real for street cred, a rapper that talks about his past days of being a gangsta is expected to not be full of sh*t he can never admit it's a fantasy cause it breaks the illusion..

both mediums are judged differently imo

Which goes back to my original point: I have no expectation that I'm listening to someone's autobiography when I hear a song. People who do have that expectation might want to reconsider it, especially if it's effecting their ability to enjoy music. There is a very long history of music that isn't autobiographical in nature, and I think it's kind of silly to discount a work of fiction for being a work of fiction.

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