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If rap isn't music, then your definition of music is far too small. Beyond this, you should check into your ego and make sure it's not running wild.

You're saying certain times of music (which I think is boring, uninspired garbage, by the way) are more fruitful - which is fine on its face - but then you attempt to align your opinions with the definition of music so you can impose your will on other people and make them admit that the thing they like (Rap in this case) isn't music.

The question is not "is rap music," sir. But "are you Hitler?"

@Chula

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Get over it dude.

This is from a death metal song...

Between the Buried and Me-Prequel to the Sequel

The headless lover of three...
an unspeakable affair...
The lady on the hill creates a glorious departure from her everyday, her everyday life.
Constant swelling of the ankles...
A pleasant cry for help...
A pleasant cry for help...
A pleasant cry for help...
She began to unfold her story.
A grieving widow mothered this headless wonder.
A perfect crime, that soon lived on.
A different life it had to develop...
Gripped by every limb it could hold, the lifeless ideas, it grew onto its own.
A much needed surrender.
Trees soon started to grow from what seemed a lifeless neck...
From a monster to a beauty in quick months...
its life seemed to be on its way to a rare freedom.
It decided it should take advantage, advantage of this idea, of this idea.
A mixture of plantings soon took course in its body...
A spectacle none-the-less.
Walking proud through life, letting its branches guide the way.
A path which seemed to be covered in sunshine...
It must be human, for its qualities seem to outdo even the grandest occupant of the town...
This started to catch the attention of the un-branched...
It had never experienced an affection of this kind...
A wonderful and frightening new obstacle in its life.
this started to catch the attention of the un-branched...
it had never experienced an affection of this kind...
a wonderful and frightening new obstacle in its life.
Years went by as it finally found true love...
the love of others...three to be exact.
Letting them into every secret...feeding from every branch...
every part used for their lives...
It noticed its walking seemed more staggered than normal.
The breeze didn’t flow like it used to...
the heart seemed to pound slower and slower...
what caused this?
What caused this?
It soon was noticed that these three had torn every branch, every single stem...
torn to its last life...
How hadn’t it noticed a drastic change in the surroundings...
It didn’t think anything could go this wrong.
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
It thought life was constant.
Happiness, if constant happiness was all that was given out.
It thought life was constant.
Happiness, if constant happiness was all that was given out.
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
“Comfort.”
hints and all, they did as they pleased...
And now it’s starting to wilt away.

So?

Yeah, I want the world to be predominantly tall, blue-eyed, blondes.

The beats are considered music in a sense, but it's not my type of music. The rapping is not. My observation when I was a teenager is that it is just a person yapping nonsense on a mic.

I'm not trying to eliminate rap. Since most people like rap, it's here to stay. I just want to know the opinions of other people if it's music or not. I personally don't consider rap music and I have a peace of mind listening to my own music and staying away from rap.

That girl is beautiful! :laughing: Nahh, I saw more beautiful ones, but yeah she's beautiful!

The song reminds me of....Let it go! LET IT GO! by Frozen

The rapper is trying way too hard to impress me. I am not impressed. If he is singing a melody with the lyrics, I would be easily impressed. The artists I listen to are good and laidback. They sing effortlessly and scream consistently without trying to scream like Meshuggah or something.

This thread is stupid.

Don't paint with broad brushes. It's a sh*tty way to go through life.

Your mind is not at peace if you feel the need to trash other genres you don't care for.

No, he's performing his art.

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Ha well alrighty then so first off by saying beats are music you contradicted yourself. Secondly in what world is just mindless yapping, I don't know what rap you have listened to but it's very different than what I do. Many rapper s are very socially conscious and in my opinion the wordplay from people like Aesop Rock and MF DOOM are nearly unbeatable and completely have the right to be called poetry.

Agree

Agree


Aaaaannnddd... Agree completely.

Can you explain? Trying hard to do what? You said impress you but I don't understand how you come to that conclusion based on a performance that was made for the public, not your satisfaction.

He rhymes pretty effortlessly compared to some artists like Biggie/Immortal Tech where you can sometimes hear them gasping for air.

Anticipate many hundreds more, they're unstoppable.

I don't consider the rapping effortless. It's hard to explain, but I listen to "Ever, ever After" by Carrie Underwood and she seems to be trying too hard to sing in that recording. Maybe it's the loud background or something.

I think using some kind of an extra grit or force in their voice gives me the impression that they're trying too hard and their songs aren't even that good.

What? If you're laidback and screaming then you're doing something wrong.

But if your being laid while on your back and screaming it's an entirely different story.

The beats (I'm not talking about the rhythmic drum beats) has harmony in it. I am also into Gospel Music and I regularly go to fat chords.com to learn some PHAT chords.

I did not mention hip-hop or R&B if you notice. I am talking about the rapping. I read a lot of write-ups and I have it written down in my Evernote. I don't consider rap to be poetry (even if they talk about politics) and I don't think their lyrics will get published in any form in the future. I read better write-ups than in rap. However, there was one rapper where I was impressed by his rhymes, his name is Akil Dasan. I was just impressed by him because he was playing funk and jazz on his guitar and he was beat boxing and rapping at the same time. He also breakdances. That was the only time I got impressed by hip-hop and then this 50cent and all throngs of rappers showed up. Talking about pimps and money. I got turned off by rap. How can you consider that art?

I think the song by Jimi Hendrix - All Along the Watchtower, I feel that it has some lyrics that talk about the political situation now and it was made many years ago.

My life is more peaceful now compared to when I was a teenager. Coincidentally the kids who bullied me back then listen to rap. Connect the dots.

If they scream way too much, they'll damage their vocal cords. Most vocalists who scream, do their technique in a correct way, in order not to damage their voice.

I'm not talking about 50Cent or any of that ****, not to day what they do isn't art it'd just art I don't find appealing. Well it's obvious you're way to far gone, but to disregard rapping as music is and I know they there is no bad opinion well you broke that rule it seems.

Also I forgot to mention this but how in the hell do you consider nu-metal music that you enjoy that's based around hip-hop and rap mixed with hard rock and metal.

Honestly dude, it sounds like you just don't like rap music. You are happy to listen to nu-metal which has rap thrown in there, yet you don't like rap music in general. You just like metal dude, simple as. Rap is music, and your trying to tell us why it isn't, because your not fond of it.

When I was younger, I liked Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit. Yes there is rapping, but I liked something else in nu-metal. Those mega-distorted, d-tuned, power chords, I really liked it. Wes Borland was like my favorite guitarist at that time.

Today, I am listening to Evanescence more in Nu-Metal, but right now I recently downloaded an old Carpenters album called Offering/Ticket to Ride. I love the album and that's what I'm into right now. When it goes back to normal, I'll be listening to my rock, death metal, jazz, and film music.

When it comes to Classical Music, I enjoy listening to Debussy and other French Impressionist Composers. I know if you call these individuals Impressionists they'll tell me to "f-*** off", but that's the best way of describing them. I like the sound more than the Russian and German sound. Sorry to offend the Wagner and Beethoven fans. I like them as well, but the French Composers are top on my list.

Your ears seem to be pretty wide open. Just appreciate the fact that there's some people who have ears even more wide open that yours.

You don't like rap = COOL

You dismiss rap = NOT COOL

I don't mind being called uncool. I had been called 'loser' many times that it has lost meaning and I am immune to it. I am just trying to stay true to myself.

I also listen to Eurobeats, because I watched the anime Initial D. But I don't like anything that has Midi in it.

Most of the points you make are about how rap is bad. They have nothing to do with whether or not it is music. Who the **** gave you the right to define what is and isn't music?

I really hate nickelback, but saying that they aren't music would, frankly, be insane and egotistical.

Also, the people who picked on you liking rap has nothing to do with it's legitimacy as music.
That's like, every logical fallacy ever.

Irrashaimase, Konnichi wa Hajimemash*te Jason - desu, dozo yoroshiku:bowdown:

Are you Japanese?:bowdown: Anata wa Nihongo-jin desu ka

I'm half-Japanese.

I have an open mind in music. I am not closed minded, I will even listen to Contemporary Christian Music. Most of the time why I like music is the melody. Dozens of times that happened. Rap has no melody. Those people who are forcing the issue that the rapping has rhythm ex. Twista realize that there is no whole note, half-note, and dynamics in the rapping.

Posted by: BrighamYoungConservative

Rap music is garbage. It is corrupting our youth and it encourages abusing alcohol and drugs and it has no respect for women. I don't accept it as music or as a culture. Black culture is ruining America and making our country look bad. If it was up to me, I would ban all public radio stations that air rap music.

Posted by Unknown

Cheap sounding background beats, sampling other musicians, and talking sh*t does not music make 1. The beat: Years ago, I had a cheap Casio keyboard with pre-programmed beats and sounds. That is what I hear in today's rap - simple, push-button sounds from a cheap keyboard.
2. Sampling: If I were a musician who created a unique sound and wrote a song to go with it, then, with actual talented musicians, recorded that song, I would be furious if some no-talent rap "artist" stole it.
3. Vocals: This is the only somewhat original part of the rapper's "art." Sometimes rappers actually do a good of job mixing together rapidly "sung" vocal parts. Unfortunately, most of the lyrics are very weak to the point of sounding kind of silly, and there is almost nothing that sounds original. The use of similes is nauseating ("this is like that", "he is like ______", she is like _____"). Also, rap overtly uses vulgarity, sex, and promotes the use of alcohol and drugs. These lyrics are more for shock value than anything that is actually meaningful. And don't get me started on rhymes that remind me of a poem written by an 8 year-old. I miss the days when song lyrics were true poetry and it was often difficult to know the true meaning because one could interpret the song in different ways.

I haven't even discussed the personal life of rappers, their ridiculous choice of clothing and adornments, or the childish names they give themselves, but that's another argument.

Posted by Unknown:

Ask a rapper to "sing" any song, just once... The fact sadly is that rap is not music, but a mix of sounds, and already used beats. Any rapper you ask to actually "sing" any other song will fail miserably. The "talent" they have is not in their voice, but could be in their ability to mix like sounds, and contrasting sounds that people can dance to. It's not a real music, it's borrowed from others, and then strung together with lyrics. The whole idea of being a rapper is to "look the part" and act like a jerk I guess. How does the word "pimpin" become a good thing? Last I heard a pimp was a cowardly man who mentally, physically, and emotionally abuses women for HIS own profit. Seriously? That's cool? Get real.

Posted by: gamer7232

1. Rap is literally a poem about sex and drugs, no lyrical meaning in any music (maybe 2 songs). Look at all of lil wayne's music (like wowzers and lollypop) Rappers just keep rethinking the same idea and writing about the same topic just to make millions more dollars like 2 chainz (she gotta big booty so i call her big booty) or (they ask me what i do and what i do it for, and how i come up with this s*** up in the studio, all i want for my birthday is a big booty call) the last line here has no relation whatsoever to the previous lines, yet this song is still somehow popular. Or whiz kalifas smokin good where "smokin weed like its oxygen" repeated the whole song.

2. There is no effort in rap, you sometimes don't even write your own lyrics, and 99% of rap beats aren't made by the artists, they are made by other people.

3. You don't have to be musically talented- a lot of beats and drums are computerized, and all you have to do is talk in rhythm, you don't have to have a good singing voice and be able to sing, i don't like country but at least you have to sing. You also don't play along with a band so it's not really a group effort.

4. People say rock is all about drugs, and i wont deny that alot is, but a hell of a lot less than rap, and alot of the songs actually have meanings and a purpose and not about smoking weed.

5. If you say all rock is about death and suicide, try and name 6 rock songs about death and name 6 rap songs about drugs and sex and tell me which one u finished quickest

Posted by Unknown:

Everyone talks about the struggle on the streets, drug life, gang life we have heard it repeated to death. And that its an art, sorry it doesn't take too much to flow just a decent vocab and ear for the MIDI produced beat or a sampled piece from some else's hard work. But to truly see if it is real music is the live experience. What do you see at a rap concert? The DJ pressing a button playing music no talent there, the rapper with 6 other guys repeating what he just said. A hey ho, uhh for an hour or 2 and that's it nothing musical there from what I can see. A rock on the other hand is very different. Every person on stage plays an instrument or two amazingly too actual rockstar status. People actually playing the drums, bass ,guitar, piano, actual singing every night on tour for 9 months out of the year. Its not done at just a press of a button and the music plays. And for people to say all they do is scream is very ignorant. Clearly they haven't heard the different sub genres of rock. Not saying that some bands don't but they perform that every night not so easy. It also comes to the audience. For rap less than half actually play a musical instrument. As for rock about 90% play instruments.I could have have picked any other genre of music like jazz, classical, blues, flamenco. I've listened to rap for many years as a multi instrument musician it doesn't hold up. Its in pop culture its in style to like rap course everybody defends it. It just makes me laugh when I see a rich white kid bumping lil boosie. He couldn't relate at all but its in style. I could go on about the constant dissing, who's the best rapper or who go's the hardest. You will never know. To sum it up its not real music no matter how much u think your expressing yourself or your opening your soul. For u mixed tape underground rap fans or its art sorry jay-z isn't the next Pablo piccaso.

Posted by Unknown:

I don't see how talking really fast and cursing excessively about drugs,white women,and guns could be considered music. Maybe it is considered music because of the jungle beats and excessive bass in that plays in the background? Ebonics is widely used in cesspools like Detroit and Atlanta so it should not be considered rap.

Congratulations, you've conveniently ignored every point I've made.

Also, you've just replied with what looks like an appeal to popularity...

All of those people are criticizing rap for it's quality, which has nothing to do with whether it is music or not. They're every bit as ignorant as you.

Saying you're not closed minded does not stop you from being closed minded.

@****stirrer

Congratulations, you've found people as ignorant towards rap as you!

Oh, "BrighamYounConservative", eh? So we're supposed to take seriously the opinions of people who are probably bat**** crazy uber-Mormons?

Are Mormon opinions considered opinions?

I don't think so, it's just someone yapping over a cheap pair of underwear. A lot of times that underwear isn't even handmade, just the product of textile factories ie OTHER peoples hard work.