Kanye is already a legend. Kendrick is absolutely going to be considered that. Drake too probably. They are the obvious ones. I'd love to see people like Danny Brown, Chance the Rapper and Big K.R.I.T. reach that status in the mainstream at some point.
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I find it ridiculous you think Janet is not a Legend and Kanye is when she has an album under her belt that broke cultural/racial barriers and Kanye does not. Although talented, Kanye West is an arrogant overrated *******. There is no way in hell he deserves 21 grammys. MJ was an innovator. He innovated something new so that is not a good example.... |
-Kanye (already is), Nikki Minaj, Drake, Kendrick, Lil Wayne (mainstream) <- I don't like any of these artists but you have to give them credit for their impact/success.
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I think it's important to make a distinction between mainstream and "underground". Sure, Aesop will go down as a legend in some people's minds, but he's never going to reach Nas/Outkast or even Mos Def type status overall.
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Unless DWV edited his post I apologise for not seeing him say "(underground)" after his second list.
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Kanye for me started on the right path of becoming a legend but got too arrogant along the way and now doesn't the deserve the Legend status. Not just cause of his attitude but because imo the quality of his music has also dropped. |
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I am specifically insisting there is not innovation in the mainstream. I obviously can not speak for every single underground unknown rapper. Teddy Riley- invented New Jack Swing in the mid 80's Fats Dominos- Rock James Brown- Funk Sly and the Family Stone- Innovated Psychedelic music and was the First to fuse this with (funk and soul) WAR-Same as above but they were the first to incorporate Latin, Reggae and international music in their funk, rock, r&b, soul fusion Jimi Hendrix- electric guitar playing style |
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He has not innovated anything to the rap genre, how is this a straw man argument? The fact that he is an ******* also makes my argument a strawman? Quote:
He is an innovator and any non MJ fan walking down the street will say the same thing. His concerts and performance were innovative as well and were not done before his time. These things might not relate to music directly but they are associated with music and were new ideas so its fair to call him an innovator. Also, while I am not a big fan, The Beatles were innovative as well the only one out of that bunch that is a fraud is Elvis Presley. He has not innovated anything. |
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