Music Banter - Is Tupac Corny?

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I think that might be down to A.) the amount of time that has passed, and B.) the diffusion of music because of the internet so that people just kind of happen upon them and are like yay or nay rather being confronted with them like they might have been in the 90s.

Not necessarily any kind of respect thing. I really do think they just have a sound that will be appealing to a very certain kind of person right off the bat, and everyone else will always hate them, with a few outliers like me who just end up getting used to it. Something to do with a solid pop sensibility but an idiosyncratic sound pallet.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078708)

I feel this honestly

like being followed around with Sum 41

Or being about the Contortions and being followed around with faggy shit like the Buzzcocks.

Wait, doesn't OH think Tupac is an inauthentic tryhard? Why did he vote no?

Alright so I'm going to give this a try. I will be as open minded as I can.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078660)

Best song you've never heard that doesn't sound like what you probably think they sound like.

I'm sorry but this is trash to me. It's not horrible in the way other ICP songs are like the magnets one. I would actually rather listen to the magnets one cause at least it's so over the top bad that it's funny. But this just sounds like very mediocre rapping over very mediocre production and middle school tier faux shocking lyrics. Please tell me this isn't what you guys meant when you compared their story telling to slick Rick.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2078661)

You're coming into a hip hop discussion with either zero knowledge of hip hop and hip hop history or zero knowledge of ICP.

As far as lyrical ability ICP are not far off from classic legends like Slick Rick. They take so much of their inspiration from that era of hip hop especially the grandiose gimmicks and story telling. The only difference being they are much more cartoony and goofy.

I'll be perfectly honest, this is the first ICP song I can say that I actually like. The beat is mainly what's good about it tbh. The rapping is still subpar but it doesn't ruin the song.

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ICP have proven that they can use multisyllable rhyme schemes above amateur single syllable rhymes like a lot of 2Pac's music does.

terrible. Multi syllable rhymes? Lmao.

Pac was never known as being that kind of rapper. He was simple in his rhyme schemes but he more than made up for it in cadence, delivery and passion.

And his persona was actually deeper than some middle school potential school shooter's wet dream.

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ICP have adopted and switched flows drastically through out their career.

this song is actually not bad at all after the terrible intro. Even if it is a blatant 3 6 mafia impersonation.

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ICP also have a higher vocabulary than 2pac.

this is true. I heard the primitive people of the juggallo tribe have over 31 words to describe sissies in clown paint.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2078703)

When Jay-Z, the guy that prides himself in his business shows respect for your marketing and how long your career has lasted it's definitely respect. He didn't have to say ****. Why would he care about staying on good terms with ICP?

When they are getting called legends by notable hip hop publications and figures like Ebro I think that counts as respect. They aren't completely embraced or as loved but they are absolutely respected especially in the newer generation. People started to notice how long they've stayed, how much they pay their dues and the grind they've had.

nah... Longevity and marketing sounds like exactly the kind of compliment Jay z would pay to ICP. That's not respect in the field of hip hop. That's purely business.

Honestly man, I know you live in a state with like 3 black people in it, but if you go to any hood in america 2pac has some haters but he also gets tons of respect. He's undeniably one of the biggest and most influential rappers ever. Where as with ICP, they either don't know who that is our they are largely seen as a joke.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078709)

they put in a lot of effort in innovating their sound through the years

and they for sure are a pair of inherently musical brothers

but in the early days, unfiltered pick up and play

Can't say I particularly enjoyed this tbh

Honestly maybe some good music is effortless.. but I think most isn't. I think if nothing else you need some level of passion to really make good art and passion will generally cause you to take it somewhat seriously and put in some effort.

My ex once tried to explain to me how someone in one of her classes who painted the entire canvas red had actually done something brilliant cause of what that red canvas symbolized.

Silly c*nt.

I think you're allowed to call anything made by human expression "art", just as long as I'm allowed to critique it and most likely call it "pretentious drivel that resembles a turd".

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078797)

Art must

**** that.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078801)

in the postmodern era we are beyond Art schools

but it was pretty cool that everyone was trying to figure out the definitive way to make Art for thousands of years prior

how exciting it must have been to find yourself on the cusp of one of these movements that "figured it out", that had such a bold statement to make

Anyone trying to dictate what art must be or pin any definitive indicator of quality on it doesn't understand art.