What makes a band true metal? is the definition of true metal made by a secret elitist group that has a graph that bluntly states what is true metal and what is not? or is it a term that means something different to everyone? or to put it simple, an opinion.

Converge is pretty good too mate. Definitely can't say I don't stand 'em. Hmmm

Eh, I like the Smiths but the rest I'm wholly neutral towards.
I totally agree with you on Joy Division though.

Well, heh, that's why I said 'tr00', as in, sorta taking the piss. I have a load of elitist metal mates and they piss me off massively. What I mean is that I know that slipknot are dually the most over-and-underrated band in metal - all the 'tr00 kvlt metuhlhedz' reject it because it's commercial, and the fanboys just can't stop screaming about them all the time.

Truth is, as far as I'm concerned, they're decent but nothing to really shout about.

As far as it goes for Gallows and Converge.... I don't really know. I've certainatly listened to noisier music (Locust and The Berzerker and Ladyscraper and such) so that's not the problem, but something about both of them just strikes me as being really unimaginative. Hard to put my finger on if I'm honest.

Wiki's list of nu metal sums up this pretty well. It's hard to find exceptions in there.

Simple Plan is the all time worst band i've ever heard in all my life. Songs about teen angst and killing yourself!? So ridiculous.
I think every one of them should be sentenced to slitting their wrists for all eternity for all the lives they've more than likely taken!

:D

Loads of great bands have had songs about killing themselves. Nirvana, "teenage angst has paid off well, now I'm bored and old"/"look on the bright side suicide."

Jeff Buckley, "Long enough for the clouds to fly me away, well it's my time coming, i'm not afraid to die"

Joy Division, "Directionless so plain to see a loaded gun won't set you free, so you say."

I could go on and on.

Though I agree, Simple Plan are fucking horrible.

Converge is awful. I feel bad saying that because I REALLY gave them a chance... they just annoy the **** out of me.

I really loved this song. This doesn't do anything for you? :S

The vocals turn me off so much I can't even listen to the rest.