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Metalcore sounds too prepackaged to me. It very carefully dissects various elements of extreme metal to give it a wider target range. For a lot of people the growled vocals are an instant turnoff for death and black metal, but if you sprinkle in some clean melodic chorus' every goddamn song then the pussies don't get scared off as quickly. It's a Frankenstein genre, but only using the "best" parts and I think a lot of the individuality gets lost in the transition. Like Engine said, everything besides the vocals feels held back, and in metal the vocals are never the most important part, even with power metal.

I'm not very well versed on this stuff, but I would agree with quite a bit of the recent posts from loathsompete, almauro, and engine. Talking about the new-school melodic stuff, I feel like throwing a clean chorus in between the screamy verses is only a step away from something like I see stars, who basically just put one breakdown in the middle of an otherwise sugary song. Nothing wrong with emo-popness necessarily (I listen to the Anniversary, even), but it always seems incongruous. Plus I'm not big on the way they sing the clean vocals themselves.

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 881686)

Most of the time I don't like genres of music with the word "core" attached to it. It just bugs me.

Not even Crabcore?

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Rotter (Post 883115)

I've got nothing against commercialism, I just don't like the contrived nature of basically creating a song that combines elements of extreme metal, with melodic emo/hardcore, that's intended to satisfy many tastes, but artistically is bankrupt. It's liked some F_****ed up manimal mutation running around on "The Island of Dr Moreau" .

I was gonna make a thread asking the same question the OP had, but now I have all the answers I need.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Rotter (Post 883115)

Allright so what I'm hearing is option A with a twist, which is metalheads don't like the fact that the genre has made extreme metal commercially profitable to allow scenters and posers to take over.

I can sympathize with this to an extant, BUT all genres of music eventually move from the underground to become commercially profitable. If record companies think they can make profit off of it they will, they'll take it and water it down to make it more appealing to a larger audience.

I was in highschool when Nirvana broke. I thought this was it, the world is finally going to go punk as ****, but all that happened is a thousand pearl jam clones got signed, and labelled alternative.

Black Sabbath in the 70's was considered underground because it was too heavy and dark for many people to be commercially viable, now its just considered classic rock.

Metallica and megadeth in the 80's was considered too hard to become commercially viable now its just considered middle of the road.

When Flordia broke out (ie; Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Morbid Saint) and then Scandanavia, it was too hard for a lot of thrashers I knew to swallow, but not for future generations. The shock value wears off and even extreme metal becomes digestable to the general public.

When melodic hardcore broke out to wash away the likes of The Exploited and Black Flag, did I like the Offspring, no not really, but did I hate the whole genre....no. I still listen to Pennywise, Rancid, Snuff ect.

Do I like Killswitch Engage no....but hear is wear I endure the wrath of internet hate. Parkway Drive, I killed the Prom Queen, Bleeding Through, Bring Me The Horizon, and dare I even say...Bullet for My Valentine are all bands I can listen to. I think Parkway Drive rocks, and that's all I can say.

In every commercial wave of metal there will always be poser bands that have no roots in the underground (ie Limp Biscuit) the best u can hope for is they get weeded out.

If you read my post carefully you'd see I said "It very carefully dissects various elements of extreme metal". Essentially what I mean by that is it's forcibly removing what makes extreme metal extreme and I have a problem with that. It's like declawing a cat, it needs those elements for it to be what it is. Metal has always been an outsiders genre for outsider people, and to me metalcore is trying to make it into something that the people who use to beat me up (and many others) into something for those bullies to enjoy. Most people found a kind of solace in death metal, a cathartic release for all that teenager angst/anger.

I don't really care if the bands are commercially profitable or not, I'll be the first to admit that I like bands like Godsmack, In Flames, etc. but I just can't stomach these Frankenstein ripoffs that bastardize an exclusive genre of music that I can honestly say got me through high school.

If you like metalcore then that's your prerogative and I'm not the type of person to berate someone for what kind of music they listen to, unless they're spouting out that it's the best thing in the world and everything else sucks, then we've got a problem.

That's just my honest opinion on metalcore and why so many metalheads have issues with it.

The reason I don't like it is perfectly simple.

If I listen to metal I want punishing riffs & for lack of a better term ... heaviness.
If I listen to hardcore I want rawness & attitude.

Now I don't know much about the genre, only what Darkest Hour forced me to listen to but i'm assuming that it combines the two, hence it's name.

Some bands managed to combine the two taking the qualities I enjoy from the two genres, Napalm Death, Electro Hippies & Extreme Noise Terror spring to mind. But from what I have heard of the genre it's far to slickly produced for my liking & sounds more like who can solo the fastest while grunting over generic riffs.

Basically it's lacking in everything I look for in hardcore & metal.

So is the abrasive verse/clean chorus a hallmark of this stuff? I don't know enough about the genre.

I definitely have felt the gut "declawed Frankenstein" reaction before, but I acknowledge that everything aims for the mainstream. Really the problem for me is just that I think it sounds funny; it sort of makes me feel like the parts are tacked together. Same reason Ke$ha bugs me so much.

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Rotter (Post 883374)

But you can't sum up whole genre this way.

Yes but if someone serves me a dead dog for dinner I'm not sticking around to see what's for dessert.

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Rotter (Post 883115)

Do I like Killswitch Engage no....but hear is wear I endure the wrath of internet hate. Parkway Drive, I killed the Prom Queen, Bleeding Through, Bring Me The Horizon, and dare I even say...Bullet for My Valentine are all bands I can listen to. I think Parkway Drive rocks, and that's all I can say.

This is a strange question you've asked. I guess all I can say at this point is that the above bands that you say you 'can listen to' and who 'rock' are worthless to me based on their musical contributions alone. I think Killswitch is better (and I don't like them either).

What (the hell) do you like about those bands?

And for the record, I have some metalcore that I do like. Not counting the early Hydra Head scene which I love, I like Buried Inside, Byzantine, and I have a soft spot for Cancer Bats. Then again..are those even considered metalcore?