how come Metal doesnt have a forum of its own? (hardcore, punk)

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Hit the nail right on the head Urban, right on the head, that's something metalheads forget.

I'd say proto metal (or old metal) bands would include.

Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
Deep Purple
King Crimson
Blue Cheer
Queen
AC/DC
Blue Oyster Cult
Uriah Heep
Hawkwind
Aerosmith
UFO
Jethro Tull
Thin Lizzy
KISS
Rush

All have had some kind of significant influence on heavy metal in both it's early development and following the 70s.

That's a pretty comprehensive list.

I'd probably add Ted Nugent and the Amboy Dukes to it. Psychedelia (specifically acid rock) contributed a fair bit to heavy metal - in fact, bands like the Amboy Dukes, Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly and Steppenwolf etc were often listed as heavy metal bands.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Well lets assume those bands were not metal bands.

In 1979/80 you had the NEW wave of British Heavy Metal. Which gave you the likes of Iron Maiden , Saxon , Venom , Samson , Preying Mantis etc etc.

So with that , there must have been an old wave of metal in the 70s.

So who were those bands then? Anyone who think the likes of Sabbath , Purple & Zeppelin were not metal bands want to name me 10 metal bands from the 70s?

You mean to tell me a man against genres is going to champion some corner-office conceived horse**** like "New Wave of Brittish Heavy metal."

Lord knows what they were thinking, but let me put it to you this way. If those were the new guys, how come they didn't do a ****ing thing like Zeppelin or Deep Purple. Wheres the mind-numbing experimentation (thats a bad thing), or the bloated double-albums. Wheres the pomposity. I don't know why they called it that, why is grunge grunge? New Wave? Why is it New Wave, was there an old wave?

Genres are stupid and the men who create them are even more so. I realize this isn't over, but for now and for this post, im done. Your move sir.

[boo boo]

So... Experimentation is bad?.... Fine, i'll burn all my Beatles, Zeppelin, Floyd, Crimson and Radiohead albums to meet your strict approval, oh wise one.

[TheBig3]

Why such a bastard? Im refering to the "hey lets rock the sitar this album" and things along that line.

[explosions-in-my-pants]

booboo in your list you forgot Motorhead.. haha

anyways i agree Big3 genres are stupid, but they are there and that won't change.. half of the fights here are about what band belongs to what genres.. hense this one right now.

my father an teenager in the 70's along with all of his friends, and everyone he went to school with. most of them listened to Metal, and what they called matel bands were Zeppelin, Sabbath, and NOT QUEEN? anyways bands like boo boo has said (all but queen) were considered to my father and his friends to be metal bands.. and no there opinions doesn't make it true.. but then again neither do any of yours.. we place them where we see fit.. until someone says its fact and word gets spread.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by explosions-in-my-pants

booboo in your list you forgot Motorhead.. haha

anyways i agree Big3 genres are stupid, but they are there and that won't change.. half of the fights here are about what band belongs to what genres.. hense this one right now.

my father an teenager in the 70's along with all of his friends, and everyone he went to school with. most of them listened to Metal, and what they called matel bands were Zeppelin, Sabbath, and NOT QUEEN? anyways bands like boo boo has said (all but queen) were considered to my father and his friends to be metal bands.. and no there opinions doesn't make it true.. but then again neither do any of yours.. we place them where we see fit.. until someone says its fact and word gets spread.

I'm not arguing or anything - I'm just commenting on Queen. Your father had probably only heard their popular songs - they had heavier ones like Brighton Rock, Ogre Battle and Stone Cold Crazy - I've heard that called a proto speed metal song before . Brighton Rock has some very metalish riffery.

Queen had quite a huge influence overall, especially on metal, and guitar in general. They influenced Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dream Theater, Queensryche, King's X, Def Leppard, Motley Crue and Guns 'n' Roses - not to mention both Joe Satriani and Steve Vai too.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Why such a bastard? Im refering to the "hey lets rock the sitar this album" and things along that line.

You have a problem with sitars?

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

You mean to tell me a man against genres is going to champion some corner-office conceived horse**** like "New Wave of Brittish Heavy metal."

Well I didn`t name it.I`m not against genres i`m just asking a valid question.If metal has been around since the early 70s why can nobody name any metal bands from then.

Lord knows what they were thinking, but let me put it to you this way. If those were the new guys, how come they didn't do a ****ing thing like Zeppelin or Deep Purple. Wheres the mind-numbing experimentation (thats a bad thing), or the bloated double-albums. Wheres the pomposity. I don't know why they called it that, why is grunge grunge? New Wave? Why is it New Wave, was there an old wave?

Really? I could have sworn Iron Maiden said main two influences were Deep Purple & Jethro Tull at the time. You don`t think that Iron Maiden making 15 minute long songs and concept albums was influenced by that at all? Diamond Head , Influenced by the likes of Zeppelin , Purple & Sabbath , Def Leppard were originally influenced by Judas Priest, Queen , UFO & Thin Lizzy, I could go on.
Why is it New Wave? well i`d hazard a guess that the old wave was punk given that pretty much all new wave bands were influenced by punk in some way.

I find it ironic that a Metallica fan would dismiss the movement so easily when Lars Ulrich put out a compilation album of his favourite new wave of british heavy metal tracks on it`s 10th anniversary saying if it wasn`t for that Metallica wouldn`t exist.

[boo boo]

Black Sabbath also named Jethro Tull and King Crimson as major influences.

[explosions-in-my-pants]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

I'm not arguing or anything - I'm just commenting on Queen. Your father had probably only heard their popular songs - they had heavier ones like Brighton Rock, Ogre Battle and Stone Cold Crazy - I've heard that called a proto speed metal song before . Brighton Rock has some very metalish riffery.

Queen had quite a huge influence overall, especially on metal, and guitar in general. They influenced Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dream Theater, Queensryche, King's X, Def Leppard, Motley Crue and Guns 'n' Roses - not to mention both Joe Satriani and Steve Vai too.

my father has like 3,000 records.. he is one of Queens biggest fans.. but he just won't consider them metal.. to him there just pure and simple rock n' roll..