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15Steps 07-07-2008 10:47 PM

woops must have missed them. but the rest are still absent...

ProggyMan 07-07-2008 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sodacake (Post 496067)
I'm not shocked. I'm saying why Hendrix wins by the criteria.

He's saying not everyone will agree that he wins by the criteria.

Sodacake 07-08-2008 06:16 AM

No, really?

almauro 07-08-2008 06:48 AM

Not bad at all! Good of you to note Michael Bloomfield. In 66' he was widely regarded as one the best and most influential blues guitarist, but herione and bad career decisions led him into obscurity and an early demise. His work with Butterfiled is just as good as anything Clapton did.

Double X 07-08-2008 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sodacake (Post 496049)
Going by the criteria, though, Hendrix does win without a doubt. He scores more in creativity, originality, influence, status, impact than anyone else. Others do come very close but Hendrix always has the edge.

Status ... bleh. Doesn't mean too much. Allman was one of the modern pinoneers of slide guitar just as much as Hendrix revolutionized hard rock - style. Page and Clapton are also quite well - esteemed.

Both took old songs and used their prodigious skill to make it their own. It was hard rock - style of guitar that took off and not slide guitar technique, which granted a bit more of fame to Hendrix.

Sounds like I am bashing him, but I actually like him a lot. I love his covers of other songs at 'Live at Monterry'.

boo boo 07-08-2008 08:53 AM

So I made some pretty glaring omissions.

Some oversights I really regret.

Bill Nelson of Be Bop Deluxe.
Keith Levene of Public Image Ltd
Michael Karoli of Can.
Vivian Campbell of Dio
Wata of Boris
Ty Tabor of Kings X
Matthias Jabs and Rudy Schenker of Scorpions
Izzy Stradlin of Gnr

Some others I'll be sure to add.

sleepy jack 07-08-2008 10:54 AM

boobs what about Ira Kaplan (Yo La Tengo)?

Laces Out Dan! 07-08-2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LesPaul43 (Post 495999)
BooBoo, I know you've heard The Fall of Troy..and somehow you've left Thomas out. And what about Nick Reinhart of Tera Melos.

...

boo boo 07-08-2008 03:30 PM

Well I really like what I've heard from Tera Melos.

I'm working on an extra 50, so any more recommendations would be super.

Urban Hat€monger ? 07-08-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 496196)
Matthias Jabs and Rudy Schenker of Scorpions

No Uli Jon Roth ?

boo boo 07-08-2008 05:05 PM

Numba 107.

Urban Hat€monger ? 07-08-2008 05:10 PM

Ahhh :thumb:

I always thought they were better with him.

15Steps 07-08-2008 09:26 PM

me and my friends dad had a great argument over who could outplay eachother (hendrix vs stevie ray).
i sided on hendrix, anyone else have an opinion here?

Trevor 07-08-2008 09:34 PM

I'm new here, I may not know so many artists/guitarists, as far as I know, Eric Clapton is the best. But he does not seem to be rock metal. Don't laugh @ me, hahaha

Demonoid 07-08-2008 09:38 PM

Manuel Gottsching!
I guess you would know a bit about Krautrock and Ash Ra Tempel being a progressive fan :p:
He was one of the most influential in the genre.

boo boo 07-09-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 15Steps (Post 496392)
me and my friends dad had a great argument over who could outplay eachother (hendrix vs stevie ray).
i sided on hendrix, anyone else have an opinion here?

Stevie Ray is the more clean player, but Hendrix had the energy and his riffs alone are show stealers.

almauro 07-09-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 495042)
192. Trey Gunn (King Crimson, solo, session work)

Trey plays a guitar-like device called a "Warr guitar", and since he always played with Fripp and Belew, I though it was a bass-like contraption, no? Should you disqualify him, here a goup of guitarists that could fill 192.

Curt Kirkwood - Meat Puppets
Bob Stinson - The Replacements
Trey Azagthoth - Morbid Angel
Michael Amott - Carcass, Arch Ememy, Spiritual Beggars
Jim McCarty - Detroit Wheels, Cactus, Rockets
Tony Bourge - Budgie
Bill Steer - Napalm Death, Carcass, Firebird
Scott "Wino" Weinrich - The Obessed, Spirit Caravan, Places of Skulls, Hidden Hand
Matt Pike - Sleep, High On Fire
Eddie Glass - Fu Manchu, Nebula
Ed Mundell - Monster Magnet, Atomic Bitchwax
King Buzzo - Melvins
Andreas Kisser - Sepultura

boo boo 07-09-2008 12:26 PM

No it is a guitar, just an unconventional kind of guitar, and I figure if pedal steel can coun't why not the warr? It's really nothing more than a 12 string guitar with a fatter and longer neck. It was designed so that bass techniques could be used on it and it's similar to the chapman in that you can play bass parts on it, but in terms of basic design and tone it pretty much is a guitar.

Trey Gunn may be a little high, quite an obscure name, but he's a damn good player. A lot of jazz and eastern influences in his playing and it really shows in Crimsons last 2 albums.

Whatsitoosit 07-09-2008 01:10 PM

Cobain? seriously? top 200 songwriters maybe. Brian May after Pete Townsend? for shame.
This is your opinion so I should shut the **** up :)

thanks for taking the time to make that list, overall it's pretty good.

(not a bad attempt at an insult followed by a compliment I must say)

lucifer_sam 07-10-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro (Post 496544)
Eddie Glass - Fu Manchu, Nebula
Ed Mundell - Monster Magnet, Atomic Bitchwax

You would put Ed Mundell and Eddie Glass in before Josh Homme? He might be a little full of himself, but Josh Homme completely created desert rock with Kyuss. He was really young when Kyuss was in their prime and later went on to achieve commercial success with one of the most dynamic rock acts. He simply shits on others in his genre and is a great modern guitarist.

God, Fu Manchu brings tears of laughter to my eyes. How they ever achieved success with that ignorant prick and his formulaic riffs I'll never know.

TheaterDreams 07-10-2008 08:34 PM

You gotta have John Petrucci in the top 20. And Eddie doesn't deserve to be 2.

Top 5

1) Jimi Hendrix
2) Jimmy Page
3) Eric Clapton
4) Stevie Ray Vaughn
5) David Gilmour or Steve Vai

Just my opinion of course

boo boo 07-10-2008 10:54 PM

I think Petrucci is highly overrated, he's very skilled, but if that was all I cared about Michael Angelo Batio would be on the list (I wouldn't even put him in the top 300, because some biase's I can't let go), he has a lot of influence and acclaim and thats really the only reason I have him as high as he is.

almauro 07-11-2008 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 496789)
You would put Ed Mundell and Eddie Glass in before Josh Homme? He might be a little full of himself, but Josh Homme completely created desert rock with Kyuss. He was really young when Kyuss was in their prime and later went on to achieve commercial success with one of the most dynamic rock acts. He simply shits on others in his genre and is a great modern guitarist.

God, Fu Manchu brings tears of laughter to my eyes. How they ever achieved success with that ignorant prick and his formulaic riffs I'll never know.

The point is I'd put them ahead of Trey Gunn. I don't know what personal problem you have with Eddie Glass? Fu Manchu's "Daredevil" and "In Search of..." are classic Sabbathy/psychelic riffs inspired by Fun House era Stooges and Kyuss. Josh had already been edited out by Boo Boo so I didn't feel like beating a dead horse, but he was very influential with guitar tone, and I agree should be higher.

Inuzuka Skysword 07-11-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword
I really wonder why Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah isn't on there.

Seriously?!

thedaytripper 07-11-2008 10:37 AM

i deffinately think that eric clapton should be higher than 5

Sodacake 07-11-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheaterDreams (Post 496836)
Eddie doesn't deserve to be 2.

What makes you say that?

lucifer_sam 07-11-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro (Post 496922)
The point is I'd put them ahead of Trey Gunn. I don't know what personal problem you have with Eddie Glass? Fu Manchu's "Daredevil" and "In Search of..." are classic Sabbathy/psychelic riffs inspired by Fun House era Stooges and Kyuss. Josh had already been edited out by Boo Boo so I didn't feel like beating a dead horse, but he was very influential with guitar tone, and I agree should be higher.

Eddie Glass is responsible for some of the worst guitar riffs ever. They are formulaic bordering upon insanity. In Search Of... is complete dreck. Every riff is laden with heavy distortion and the songs are trite and prescribed. He took from Kyuss and other desert rock acts and made it ****tier and ****ter until it was utterly indistinguishable as music. I tried time and time again to develop some respect or like for the band, but I have come to realize that Fu Manchu was nothing. They may not be the worst band ever, but I wouldn't call it a stretch to imagine it.

No, Eddie Glass doesn't deserve to be in the top 200 guitarists. Or 200,000, for that matter.

almauro 07-12-2008 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 497063)
They are formulaic bordering upon insanity. In Search Of... is complete dreck. Every riff is laden with heavy distortion and the songs are trite and prescribed. He took from Kyuss and other desert rock acts and made it ****tier and ****ter until it was utterly indistinguishable as music. I tried time and time again to develop some respect or like for the band, but I have come to realize that Fu Manchu was nothing. They may not be the worst band ever, but I wouldn't call it a stretch to imagine it.

Now listen, Luci...You don't know WTF your talking about. Fu Manchu were awesome up until "King of the Road". It's just ridiculous to call anything Glass did as formulaic because half the time he played by feel and flat out jammed. Lastly, if you actually did know anything, you'd realize they were bedrock of the stoner scene Kyuss created, with Brandt Bjork (in case you don't know, he was Kyuss's drummer) producing them in 94' and latter joining them on another one of their classics, "The Action is Go." Your comments "Taken from Kyuss"..."Indistinguishable music"? Have you actually played a Fu Manchu record. If you actually had listened to Fu you'd realize two things: A) They don't sound at all like Kyuss. For starter, they had a dual guitar attack. B) Fricken NOBODY sounded like Fu Manchu. Why? Because they were originators. Deal with it.

lucifer_sam 07-13-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro (Post 497180)
Now listen, Luci...You don't know WTF your talking about. Fu Manchu were awesome up until "King of the Road". It's just ridiculous to call anything Glass did as formulaic because half the time he played by feel and flat out jammed. Lastly, if you actually did know anything, you'd realize they were bedrock of the stoner scene Kyuss created, with Brandt Bjork (in case you don't know, he was Kyuss's drummer) producing them in 94' and latter joining them on another one of their classics, "The Action is Go." Your comments "Taken from Kyuss"..."Indistinguishable music"? Have you actually played a Fu Manchu record. If you actually had listened to Fu you'd realize two things: A) They don't sound at all like Kyuss. For starter, they had a dual guitar attack. B) Fricken NOBODY sounded like Fu Manchu. Why? Because they were originators. Deal with it.

Sigh...

Yes, I have. I actually met a one-time Fu Manchu member (he's leading a band called The Freeks now). I have In Search Of... and I regret ever purchasing it. I know they don't sound like Kyuss; Kyuss was good, and Homme didn't feel the need to employ distortion on every song. You're right: nobody sounded like FU. Nobody else wanted to. If you really do enjoy FU's sound than I suppose it would be folly to try to convince you otherwise. But I, I never enjoyed them. And I listened to enough of them to figure that out.

Davey Moore 07-13-2008 10:07 PM

I don't feel like ordering my list, since that's too hard:

Hendrix
Page
Gilmour
George Harrison
Eddie Van Halen
Brian May
Townshend
Keith Richards
Randy Rhodes
Clapton
Jeff Beck
Chuck Berry
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Vai
Iommi



Can't think of any more in particular right now.

ProggyMan 07-13-2008 10:25 PM

My top 5, no order. Just my preference.
Robert Fripp
Kevin Shields
Ry Cooder
Phil Ochs
Mick Ronson

Ballin by Nature 07-14-2008 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 15Steps (Post 496392)
me and my friends dad had a great argument over who could outplay eachother (hendrix vs stevie ray).
i sided on hendrix, anyone else have an opinion here?

I don't think they would ever play against each other. THink they would take a hit, grab their guitars and just jam and feed off of one another.

But to answer the question I am going to barely take SRV on this one. I like his version of Voodoo Child better than Jimi's. SRV didn't have the catchy riffs that Jimi had, but then again SRV's songs were unique in that it seemed like he just picked up the guitar and improvised in every song. He really didn't have a typical song structure.

And I still am confused on why BB isn't on this list. You said he was soley a blues guitarist, however many of the guitarists on this list are strongly rooted in blues guitar and I would label SRV a blues guitarist. The only SRV song I label rock is Voodoo Child and it is a cover. Also if you look at your critera, BB King gets an A in most of the subjects. BB King strongly influenced many of the guitarists on your list and he impacted both the rock and the blues.

boo boo 07-14-2008 01:38 AM

Well I consider SRV blues rock, he played on Lets Dance too which was very much a pop album.

I just feel like drawing a line, adding BB would mean having to add Buddy Guy and Albert King and all the other big electric blues guitarists, and then people will say "you might as well throw in all the fusion guys too".

This is just my opinion, I'll add a few more names to it and then I want to start my little blog project.

lucifer_sam 07-14-2008 08:36 AM

And Robert Johnson! He became a guitar virtuoso when it was still uncool to do so, when even playing guitar meant you were poor or insignificant. I think he claimed to have met "the Devil at the crossroads" and sold his soul to learn how to play. (This is the same man the character Tommy Johnson is based upon in the movie O Brother Where Art Thou). Now that's badass for a 20's era-guitar player.

boo boo 07-15-2008 02:45 AM

Actually, Tommy Johnson was a real guy, a delta blues musician who according to legend ALSO sold his soul to Satan to learn how to play guitar, that and his last name is just a big coincidence, he wasn't related to Robert Johnson in any way.

Mdgtman91 07-15-2008 03:36 AM

nice list but ur missing Herman Lee

Demonoid 07-15-2008 03:39 AM

^
Did you just google and end up over here?:p:

Anyways, Malmsteen @ 20 seems a bit high to me.
And i would certainly have Gilmour in the top 10.

boo boo 07-15-2008 04:11 AM

Malmsteen, I'm no fan of the guy, but he was the first shred guitarist to use a very neoclassical dominated style and he's influenced countless guitarists, so he gets his props for influence and originality.

Inuzuka Skysword 07-15-2008 05:13 AM

Why isn't Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah on there?

acdcrules114 07-15-2008 10:58 AM

Here's my top 5

Angus Young
Brian Setzer
Eddie Van Halen
Stevie Ray Vaughan
John 5


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