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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 611250)

frusciante is kind of like flea in a sense. he'll get listed as a top player on most lists by people who don't really know much about the respective instruments. they (like the chilis) are gateway musicians, if you start paying attention to them and reading their interviews you WILL learn about greater musicians.

if you only compare him to the readily available mainstream (both above and below ground versions) then he'll come across as one of the top guys. on the other hand if you start comparing him to more avant garde and experimental musicians he's still not that bad but not nearly as outstanding as some people would like you to believe.

ultimately frusciante is like a modern hendrix only difference is it's impossible to directly compare hendrix to a predecessor and frusciante's comparison is incredibly obvious.

having said that, he'll still always be in my personal top 3 (tied with hillel slovak) along with hendrix and kim thayil.

Frusciante's good and all, I enjoy some of his work with RHCP, and some of his solo stuff, but I would not approach calling him a modern day Hendrix. Hendrix changed the way people thought about and approached guitars and guitarists in music.

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 611422)

yeah i see where you're coming from and that's why i added the little bit about the direct comparison to hendrix in my previous post.

i call him a modern hendrix based on style not influence.

Nah. Frusciante is very calculated and sparse with his guitar work. Hendrix had a characteristic sloppiness that bled into his songwriting. I don't think I've ever heard a Frusciante song/solo that didn't have firm direction.

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 611655)

have you heard the early solo crap? If you want sloppy look no further

I just realised how ridiculously random this list is, its too long, the bloke from Yo La Tengo :confused: If i had to list 200 guitarists i'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel too...

I've been listening to some wanky blues guitar music recently (specifially Texas Flood). I can actually live with this, nobody makes it sound as effortless as him and in improvisational terms Vaughn is like a bebop musician, except he only has one scale to work with and erm.. has to be melodic. It's a rare case of guitar music where I can just appreciate the technical prowess of a player, usually I demand a decent song framework but it's hard to mess up with the blues.

Guitarist with a soul, plus he was in Procol Harum and knows how to pull a guitar face

Guitarist without a soul, loves guitars similar to how men love cars, there are thousands of fat kids shut away in their rooms right now playing along to power metal records lining up to follow this wanker into the guiness book of records and artistic oblivion. It's just practice. Years of constant practice and sh*t music. I just can't relate to this at all, it's like the musical equivalent of a dumb blonde skank.

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Originally Posted by Molecules (Post 611731)

I just realised how ridiculously random this list is, its too long, the bloke from Yo La Tengo :confused: If i had to list 200 guitarists i'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel too...

Ira Kaplan.

came across this on my travels, it's just weird and scary.

^^^^^

Sometimes I'm ashamed to like Metal :(

hahaha its pretty amazing, his fingers don't appear to be moving most of the time... However if you consider prodigious talent and songwriting ability to be inversely proportional (except Hendrix) his records must REALLY suck. *goes to find Dragon Force CD-R he used to really like*

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 611733)

Ira Kaplan.

cheers, but that was more of a 'what the f*ck?' than a 'who the f*ck?'

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Originally Posted by Molecules (Post 611735)

came across this on my travels, it's just weird and scary.

Well at least it got shorter every time he played it.

Thats Tiago Della Vega. TBH I don't agree with the record, since its obvious from the videos that Rusty is much faster, but hasn't had it officially adjudicated.

And Janzsoon, the Piece is Flight of the Bumblebee by Rimsky Korsakov. Nothing to do with his own musical merits, so be careful on judging the musicality of it.

As for the guy who listed Yngwie on the previous page, it would have helped if you'd listed a SONG instead of an improvised live guitar solo. Its obviously not going to be as musical as a fully written piece of music since theres less freedom for chords changes and rythmic variation.

I'm not saying he's your cup of tea based on that, but I am saying people should try and choose their examples to be representative of the artist, instead of picking and choosing outlying examples to try and strengthen their points artificially. Theres a video of Shawn Lane on youtube at 16 years old, playing nothing but random crap as fast as he possibly can. Its a stark contrast to almost ALL of his later recorded works, and thus using it as an example to say he's unmusical isn't justified. Your Yngwie example is only more of the same, although admittedly less extreme. He's written some perfectly viable music, such as the examples below.

This, for example, is Black Star, An Yngwie Malmsteen song. He worked with Tokyo Philharmonic and released a live album with both him and the orchestra playing some of his most acclaimed works. I defy you to tell me this isn't musical.

And this is taken verbatim from the CD.

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