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riseagainstrocks 10-02-2008 01:45 AM
Funeral Doom
 
Time to talk about one of my favorite genre's again!

Funeral Doom is the most oppressive, devestating, and depressing styles of music out there and when listened to in the right mood, it's awesome!

Check out: Ahab - The Call of the Wretched Sea, Thergothon - Stream from the Heavens, Asunder - A Clarion Call, Wormphlegm - Tomb of the Ancient King, and Mourning Beloveth - The Sullen Sulcus for a good overview of what it has to offer.

Anyone who wants to hear some stuff check out

Ahab
Thergothon
Mourning Beloveth

Obombration 10-02-2008 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 526569)
Time to talk about one of my favorite genre's again!

Funeral Doom is the most oppressive, devestating, and depressing styles of music out there and when listened to in the right mood, it's awesome!

Check out: Ahab - The Call of the Wretched Sea, Thergothon - Stream from the Heavens, Asunder - A Clarion Call, Wormphlegm - Tomb of the Ancient King, and Mourning Beloveth - The Sullen Sulcus for a good overview of what it has to offer.

Anyone who wants to hear some stuff check out
Mourning Beloveth aren't funeral doom,they are death-doom and one of the best in that genre

Good list, i would put Catacombs and Skepticism in there too.

riseagainstrocks 10-02-2008 04:37 AM
I'd disagree. Funeral doom has variation and Mourning Beloveth are at the "faster" end, but I (and most of the educated metal community) would plant them firmly in the fd camp. And especially for MB, the death-doom aspects are close enough to fd that it's essentially the same thing.

And yeah Catacombs are great. Never really got into Skepticism as much. I tried Stormcrowfleet and didn't like it much. I'm gonna dig it out and try again though.

Obombration 10-02-2008 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 526588)
I'd disagree. Funeral doom has variation and Mourning Beloveth are at the "faster" end, but I (and most of the educated metal community) would plant them firmly in the fd camp. And especially for MB, the death-doom aspects are close enough to fd that it's essentially the same thing.

And yeah Catacombs are great. Never really got into Skepticism as much. I tried Stormcrowfleet and didn't like it much. I'm gonna dig it out and try again though.
Really? Well...my uneducated ass just checked metal-archives and last.fm (not that i need to check,i'm a doom fanatic), both have MB as death doom.

You've got it the wrong way around. MB are death doom, with the occasional funeral doomesque passage. Listen to Ahab or Skepticism...that is proper funeral doom, and it is distinctly different from Mourning Beloveth. In fact i can't ever remember anyone saying MB are funeral.

If you think MB are funeral just because of the slow tempo, then so were Morgion...which is just wrong.

riseagainstrocks 10-02-2008 07:14 AM
MA is good for fact-checking and that's about it.

I consider MB to be funeral doom due to the pace, the song structure (mostly long, dreary guitar lines), and lyrical content. But as I said, MB really straddle the line as far as I'm concerned.

Enough splitting hairs, more people need to listen to the bands mentioned in the first post! Get on it!

Demonoid 10-02-2008 07:29 AM
Not really big on Funeral Doom, but i really do like Ahab, Shape of Despair, Nortt & Asunder.
Virgin Black's & Esoteric's latest releases weren't all that bad either. Although i really do get put off by virgin black's vocals at times. It's more death/doom but yah, like you said, many of it sound very similar to funeral doom.

Obombration 10-02-2008 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 526603)
MA is good for fact-checking and that's about it.

I consider MB to be funeral doom due to the pace, the song structure (mostly long, dreary guitar lines), and lyrical content. But as I said, MB really straddle the line as far as I'm concerned.

Enough splitting hairs, more people need to listen to the bands mentioned in the first post! Get on it!
Ok agree to disagree. Reverend Bizarre are slower than MB, you won't ever hear anyone call them funeral,ever.

I don't think that you will win many people over to the genre man, funeral doom is an acquired taste even for battle hardened metal heads like us.

I think Ahab have a new album due out very soon don't they? COTWS was 100% killer

Demonoid 10-02-2008 08:31 AM
I don't think it's all that of an acquired taste for anyone familiar with extreme metal...or atleast for me. I find it highly dependent on my mood though.

riseagainstrocks 10-02-2008 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Obombration (Post 526615)
I think Ahab have a new album due out very soon don't they? COTWS was 100% killer
Can't say I've heard anything about it, but that would be sweet. COTWS is probably my favorite fd album!

jackhammer 10-02-2008 01:36 PM
Why is it when a particular genre is mentioned in the Metal forum it ends up as 'No it's not (insert sub genre) 'oh yes it is'?

It's such a shame that more nitpicking goes on than actual discussion half of the time.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-02-2008 02:40 PM
Is there any weird Funeral Doom that anyone knows of? I have pretty much all the stuff mentioned in this thread.

And MB are definitely Death/Doom.

riseagainstrocks 10-02-2008 03:30 PM
What do you mean "weird"? Odd instruments? Themes? What?

and I'm not backing down on Mourning Beloveth lol

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 526722)
Why is it when a particular genre is mentioned in the Metal forum it ends up as 'No it's not (insert sub genre) 'oh yes it is'?

It's such a shame that more nitpicking goes on than actual discussion half of the time.
The shame is that without that arguing this thread would have been pushed off the front page in a day so people can post the same 15 bands in the Top 10 metal bands thread or talk about the new Metallica album...again.

And for people really into this kinda music, these distinctions are important for us to make clear. Like I said, if you have experience with these genres the divisions between funeral doom, death doom, drone doom, etc. are distinct and noticable.

jackhammer 10-02-2008 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 526804)
What do you mean "weird"? Odd instruments? Themes? What?

and I'm not backing down on Mourning Beloveth lol



The shame is that without that arguing this thread would have been pushed off the front page in a day so people can post the same 15 bands in the Top 10 metal bands thread or talk about the new Metallica album...again.

And for people really into this kinda music, these distinctions are important for us to make clear. Like I said, if you have experience with these genres the divisions between funeral doom, death doom, drone doom, etc. are distinct and noticable.
Who really wants to read pages of arguments though? I am not dismissing the merits of the thread. It is more of a dismayed feeling that this sort of fractious non agreement is still happening in the Metal fraternity over 20 years since I got into the genre.

You are not alone though. The dance scene is just as bad :D

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 10-02-2008 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 526722)
Why is it when a particular genre is mentioned in the Metal forum it ends up as 'No it's not (insert sub genre) 'oh yes it is'?

It's such a shame that more nitpicking goes on than actual discussion half of the time.
or instead of bitching about it you could be happy that the "argument" ended quickly instead of going on for pages

how is it not "actual discussion"?

jackhammer 10-02-2008 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN (Post 526865)
or instead of bitching about it you could be happy that the "argument" ended quickly instead of going on for pages

how is it not "actual discussion"?
OK. Every thread in the Metal section can be comprised of the first page 'bitching' whether the band can be classed as the appropriate genre and then maybe the rest of us can join in and actually talk about the artists and not worry about tagging them in the wrong bag.... sound good?

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 10-02-2008 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 526877)
OK. Every thread in the Metal section can be comprised of the first page 'bitching' whether the band can be classed as the appropriate genre and then maybe the rest of us can join in and actually talk about the artists and not worry about tagging them in the wrong bag.... sound good?
yes

Inuzuka Skysword 10-02-2008 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 526877)
OK. Every thread in the Metal section can be comprised of the first page 'bitching' whether the band can be classed as the appropriate genre and then maybe the rest of us can join in and actually talk about the artists and not worry about tagging them in the wrong bag.... sound good?
It is a forum where we discuss music. Why should we not be able to congregate and state our case as to what a bands genre is so that things like recommending bands are easier.

fantasia world 10-02-2008 10:51 PM
most them are good
bands
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anyway

Obombration 10-03-2008 05:46 AM
There is no arguing going on,just a friendly debate or disagreement.

Someone asked about weird funeral doom, the closest i can think of is Ataraxie, which blurs the line between death doom and funeral. I wouldn't really call them weird, just interesting and definitely genre bending. Also a band called Void Of Silence might be worth a look, their new vocalist is Primordials vocalist. Void Of Silence are sort of melodic funeral/death doom if that even makes sense. Great music though.


MySpace.com - Void of Silence - Rome, Dublin, IT - Industrial / Ambient / Metal - www.myspace.com/voidofsilence

jackhammer 10-03-2008 06:03 PM
I will now desist from entering a thread in the metal section and profering my view. You can all argue between yourselves to your hearts content.

joyboyo53 10-03-2008 06:46 PM
That has got to be the most awful genre name I have ever heard. Funeral Doom? What the **** does that even mean?

Seltzer 10-04-2008 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jgd85 (Post 527332)
That has got to be the most awful genre name I have ever heard. Funeral Doom? What the **** does that even mean?
I don't think it's that elusive tbh.

Anyway, funeral doom is something I hadn't listened to in a while until my flatmate started getting into it recently - in fact he just bought two Monolithe albums from overseas. Skepticism, Esoteric, Ahab and Wreck of the Hesperus are all great bands.

Obombration 10-04-2008 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Seltzer (Post 527420)
I don't think it's that elusive tbh.

Anyway, funeral doom is something I hadn't listened to in a while until my flatmate started getting into it recently - in fact he just bought two Monolithe albums from overseas. Skepticism, Esoteric, Ahab and Wreck of the Hesperus are all great bands.

Never heard of those guys...whats the go?

Embracethedeath 12-23-2008 09:54 AM
Funeral doom is the ****. Easily my favorite band from that genre is Wormphlegm. Inhuman vocals and crushing guitars. Absolutely sickening.

Dr. Psycho 12-23-2008 09:17 PM
Ahab, Evoken, and Shape of Despair are my favorites.

Mojo 12-24-2008 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Psycho (Post 568461)
Ahab, Evoken, and Shape of Despair are my favorites.
Funeral doom is a concept that appeals greatly to me. I enjoy alot of my doom music dark and maybe even slightly ambient but it has never occured to me before I read this thread that I don't actually appear to have much of it at all. I adore Evoken's Shades of Night Descending and should focus on trying to find some similar records.

Cheese 12-26-2008 03:59 AM
who the f uck comes up with these homo names for various genres of metal? ffs!:rolleyes:

Firechild123 04-20-2009 06:42 AM
Check out Tragedies by Funeral. Its is FD masterworks people! haha also check out Six Waves OF Woe By Forest Of Shadows and Antithesis Of Light by Evoken. You will not be dissapointed

The Unfan 04-20-2009 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Psycho (Post 568461)
Shape of Despair
I hear this band lumped with funeral doom a lot, but the more I listen to them the less funeral doom they sound. Their melodies are often a bit more fast paced and their textures are often more used in a way that is jarringly beautiful as opposed to downtrodden and crushing. I also often find their lyrics to be weirdly optimistic and sarcastically hopeful which gets away from the whole funeral doom feeling.


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