Metallica

William_the_Bloody · 10-10-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Metallica can never match slayer, but I think KEA is their heaviest album.

Totally agree 5 years later when the musical landscape had gotten much heavier and Metallica was putting stuff out like this, which generally has a light and tinnish sound to it

it still didn't match the intensity and raw aggression of something like this.

Got I love this song! It gets me so hyped that it makes me want to rip off some self correcting know it all's head and punt it across the football field while I bath in their blood yelling Metallica!!!

Holerbot6000 · 10-11-2014, 03:25 AM

I guess I better check out KEA then! Thanks!

TheBig3 · 10-11-2014, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

Jansz likes this and so do I. This is the closest Metallica came to matching the intensity of Slayer, and it makes EVERYTHING from KEA just pale in comparison. Ulrich even uses double bass! It also singlehandedly torches every track from RTL.

Again, I agree with Jansz that you just can't match KEA to any of their other albums as it's really best described as technical hardcore punk album, at least to me anyway. Only the monstrously "Hit the Lights" and the upbeat "Phantom Lord" have any business being compared to other thrash albums, let alone Slayer.

From a metal perspective, maybe. From the objective view of music, AJFA isn't close to RTL.

William_the_Bloody · 10-11-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Holerbot6000

I guess I better check out KEA then! Thanks!

No prob!

**Janszoon** · 10-11-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

If my recollection is correct you've never been a fan of this album?

I've always felt that Slayer's heaviness is largely defined by their speed, and to me KEA is definitely the most hard hitting album in that respect.

In terms of mood of their sound I could see your point, but in regards to the guitar sound itself I don't see a large difference, I believe most of the songs on the first three albums are done in standard tuning.

I think Slayer's heaviness comes from their sense of rhythm, the backbone of which is Dave Lombardo. The way everything else locks in with what he's playing is what makes them so damn heavy. Metallica can't touch it overall, but they especially couldn't touch it back when Lars was an even weaker drummer and Kirk and James had yet to develop the more rhythmic approach that you hear on a later song like "Battery".

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

Totally agree 5 years later when the musical landscape had gotten much heavier and Metallica was putting stuff out like this, which generally has a light and tinnish sound to it

it still didn't match the intensity and raw aggression of something like this.

Got I love this song! It gets me so hyped that it makes me want to rip off some self correcting know it all's head and punt it across the football field while I bath in their blood yelling Metallica!!!

I totally disagree with you. "Dyer's Eve" has a much, much heavier sound to me. "Whiplash" is one of the best songs on KEA and it's nice and fast, but it still has that thin quality—partly because the drumming is so uninteresting, partly because of the guitar tone, and partly because it's simply not as well constructed of a song. It's not even in the same league as Slayer. Nothing with such dull drumming could be.

William_the_Bloody · 10-11-2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I think Slayer's heaviness comes from their sense of rhythm, the backbone of which is Dave Lombardo. The way everything else locks in with what he's playing is what makes them so damn heavy. Metallica can't touch it overall, but they especially couldn't touch it back when Lars was an even weaker drummer and Kirk and James had yet to develop the more rhythmic approach that you hear on a later song like "Battery".

I totally disagree with you. "Dyer's Eve" has a much, much heavier sound to me. "Whiplash" is one of the best songs on KEA and it's nice and fast, but it still has that thin quality—partly because the drumming is so uninteresting, partly because of the guitar tone, and partly because it's simply not as well constructed of a song. It's not even in the same league as Slayer. Nothing with such dull drumming could be.

I agree with you on Dave Lombardo Janzoon, if your going for the drum sound than Slayer has a much darker and heavier sound in general, its like your marching in to war with a demonic army, but overall I think Lars is a very good drummer.

Thus I have to totally disagree with you on Whiplash versus Dyer's Eve. I find the guitar sound much heavier, and the double tom drums as I said gets me so pumped I want to rip someone's head off.

That comment was by no means directed towards you by the way. I've always found you pretty cool. Someone rubbed me the wrong way more than once so I lost my temper and my old avatar came out, apologies.

Anyways I just find it the most heaviest stripped down thrash album they made, but the opinion is obviously divided on the issue

**Janszoon** · 10-11-2014, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I agree with you on Dave Lombardo Janzoon, if your going for the drum sound than Slayer has a much darker and heavier sound in general, its like your marching in to war with a demonic army, but overall I think Lars is a very good drummer.

Thus I have to totally disagree with you on Whiplash versus Dyer's Eve. I find the guitar sound much heavier, and the double tom drums as I said gets me so pumped I want to rip someone's head off.

That comment was by no means directed towards you by the way. I've always found you pretty cool. Someone rubbed me the wrong way more than once so I lost my temper and my old avatar came out, apologies.

Anyways I just find it the most heaviest stripped down thrash album they made, but the opinion is obviously divided on the issue

lol at the bold.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm with you on KEA being the most stripped down Metallica album but definitely disagree with you about it being particularly heavy.

Wpnfire · 10-11-2014, 09:25 PM

^ One of the rare times I agree with Jansz about Metallica.

Apon · 10-19-2014, 05:08 AM

No disrespect to Lombardo (one of my top-5 metal drummers, actually) but I think Slayer's heaviness comes from the death stench exuded with each and every guitar stroke.

Apon · 10-19-2014, 05:12 AM

Aaand for the record,

Ride The Lightning
Kill 'Em All
...And Justice For All
Master Of Puppets
Black Album
for me.

As for the Metallica vs. Slayer debate, they are both bands I love. They have both made stunning albums, in my opinion Metallica were heavier but Slayer were deadlier, and they both should have stopped some 15 years ago.

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Holerbot6000 Music Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: near a record store Posts: 327	I guess I better check out KEA then! Thanks!

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Apon Groupie Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2	No disrespect to Lombardo (one of my top-5 metal drummers, actually) but I think Slayer's heaviness comes from the death stench exuded with each and every guitar stroke.

10-19-2014, 05:12 AM	#550 (permalink)
Apon Groupie Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2	Aaand for the record, Ride The Lightning Kill 'Em All ...And Justice For All Master Of Puppets Black Album for me. As for the Metallica vs. Slayer debate, they are both bands I love. They have both made stunning albums, in my opinion Metallica were heavier but Slayer were deadlier, and they both should have stopped some 15 years ago.