is there anything to like about creed? I'd rather listen to 12 stones or something.

Inorite?!?!

I wouldn't call that rapping it sounds more like singing very fast and it only lasts 10 seconds so no need to get excited

Really? Are you posting from the 90s? Have you heard of the internet and alternative modes of distributing music?http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...power/duuh.gif

Also, any band that takes advice from their label CEOs on how their music should sound probably suck more than Creed supposedly does.
Cock usually tastes good, thanks for asking, you homophobic prick.http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...wer/tiphat.gif I like Creed. I also like several hundred other artists. How queer!

Ignorant are people who post stupid generalizations like that. People who listen to Creed obviously don't think they're mediocre. I think it's safe to say they're anything but, having sold a few million more albums more than your mediocre ass. They do what they do pretty well. If you don't like that type of music, you can feel free to fuck off. http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...wer/tiphat.gif

Nobody's forcing you to listen to Creed. If you don't like "corporate cock sucking" don't watch MTV.

The only part I had a problem with; success does not indicate quality in and of itself, and more often than not the opposite is true.

this is something poor people who want to be musicians tell themselves. This also supposes that success = $.

Sigh...trolling sure isn't as fun as it used to be...

...but fine, I'll play ball!

Mmmn, for someone who apparantly knows how to read and process information, you sure are good at completely missing the point. How does the fact that alternative means of distributation exist have ANYTHING to do with my statement regarding what the majority of bands tend to do in order to get on radio, which even today is the most common way an average person learns about songs, bands etc?

If your on a major label, you'll be doing what your label CEOs and whoever else has a say in your sound tells you to do, and that hasn't changed despite what you think you know. Some bands suck even more than Creed, some suck less, but they all suck in the long run because none of them are musicians who are aiming for anything more than your wallet anyway. How else can you explain the fact that groups like Creed, Breaking Benjamin, and such sound exactly the same on every album?

Simply put, it's because people like you enjoy their brand of smoothly flat-sounding brand of post-grunge. As a result of that enjoyment, fewer genres and bands will ever strike out beyond the Internet or indepedent labels who don't sell much to begin with.

Oh my, I hurt the little baby's feelings! Is it fun taking the easy way out at every conversational opportunity whenever you disagree with what I'm saying? ;)

In the context of my last post, "corporate cock" refers to the fact that most record labels are run at the top by a board of dudes who want your money and will do whatever it takes to make as much of it as possible. In other words, its a male-oriented business on the production/distribution side of things, and hence my choice of words. If you misunderstood that, then I can't really do anything about it. xD


And I care...why? You, adidasss, don't get most of what you listen to from radio to begin with, so hence you don't fall into the target demographics I was particularly aiming toward in my last post.

So, you can assert that you like "several hundred other artists" (which is most likely ALL LIEZ) besides Creed, and yet you can write out bullshit like this with a straight face. Let's have dissection class shall we?

1. Of course I generalize. I usually avoid doing so, however, until after some long-term observation, research and consideration. The only times I ever feel justified doing so is when there are too many people doing the same damn thing to pick them out on a case-by-case basis, and you're no fucking better if you want to lie to me and say you've never generalized based on your experiences.

2. "Safe to say" my ass. If batshit politicians, quack doctors, etc. sell millions of books every year and top the New York Times Bestseller's list, what does that say about our culture? Hell, what does that say about people like you who don't see any value in my concerns?

3. By what criteria am I mediocre? That I actually live life without shoving godawful pastiche-rock music down the ears of children in commercials, television, etc?

4. MTV eh. Well, in quoting the ever amusing adidasss-

"Are you posting from the 90s? Have you heard of the internet and alternative modes of distributing music?"

Really? Based on whose and what standard? We've had this discussion before and I put it then as I do now, popular bands are popular because they exceed in making commercial, mass appeal music. Not EVERYONE can do that nor with equal success. That's why we don't have a new Creed, or Britney or Madonna popping up every few months. If it was as easy as that we'd all be superstars. These people shift millions because they create above average, quality products in their respective genres. I realize you and plenty more on this forum don't particularly care for that sort of music (like pop or commercial hard rock) but I don't see how you can sit here and seriously claim millions of people buy garbage. Sure, certain artists sell some albums be sheer inertia of their fan base, but every single one of them had to have made at least a few really good albums to get to that point.
and spell "apparently"... Huh? It has everything to do with it. It means that in this day and age, bands don't have to "suck corporate cock" to be heard or reach success. If they have a quality product, they will most certainly be heard of. If they don't and all they want is to make money, then Creed isn't really taking away their valuable radio space now are they?

(you're)My heart bleeds for them. :rolleyes: Again, if you don't want to suck the corporate cock, don't sign with a major label, you have plenty of other options.

Every band EVER sucks? Whatever, I don't give a shit what they're aiming for, they ain't getting a dime out of me (remember, the internetz). And if I did spend money on them, why the hell do you care? I'm getting the product I want, which is catchy, hard hitting rock music. Progheads can still make "troo" music in their mamma's basement and put it on line for you to hear and then brag about how superior your music taste is to everyone else's.

Oh yes, I'm sorry, everyone should have the same taste in music you do. :rolleyes:
Sucking cock in the context you used it was meant as a disparagement, there's no misunderstanding that. I don't particularly hold it against you, but it does show just how deep seated and pervasive these prejudices are.

Your comments can be applied to any particular fan of music whose taste doesn't coincide with yours. And I think you need to get over yourself.

The tl;dr version of the above:
Don't be ridiculous. Creed isn't stopping anyone from making or enjoying the music of their choice.

Not everyone can do it, but most can (or rather, the people the bands work with can do it). Whether any lame rapper or pop artist makes it these days is based purely on what record label they're represented by. You don't see the Rihanna's and Katy Perry's of the world slowing gaining appeal by word of mouth; their record company promotes them enough by getting their music videos on TV and their songs on the radio, and the mindless masses take it from there.

For example, Creed released their first album on an independent label to little response. They sign to Wind-up Records, a subsidiary of Sony BMG, and the re-released album goes into the Top 40. Definitely not a coincedence. So from those points we can conclude that the quality, remaining the same between the two releases of the album, did not have an effect on their major success; it was the label.

Yep, and the only people who end up getting on major labels these days have to meet whatever critera the label wants in the music they promote.

In that regard, perhaps Creed were fortunate that their first two albums came out when they did, cause they're sound is only gonna get flatter from here on out. Thank God for bands who stick to analog!

But yeah, I'm done trolling this thread. That was fun though! :tramp:

Really? So they're all just talentless people who write garbage and the only reason people buy it is because it's on TV? C'mon man...And Good girl gone bad is one of the best pop albums of the decade. :\

Ok, yes, I'm not disputing that, but this is 1997 we're talking about. Sure, it's much more likely that a band will gain success if they're promoted by a major label, but I haven't noticed The Mars Volta pushing as many units as Creed or Rihanna, even though they're all on major labels (right?). For every Creed, there are dozens of bands on major labels that never came close to that level of success.

So, yeah, I'd say the music plays a great part in a band's success.

I'm pretty sure every label has some criteria of the music they want to promote....:\

Not always. Some labels out there have a variety of different kinds of bands signed on, so its harder to pin down the criteria they have. And Warner Bros. is just plain weird. = /

Investigating such would make for an interesting paper in any case.

the criteria for every single label out there is to make a profit. some want to make a larger profit than others but it's still all about paying the bills. you can put up all the altruistic fronts you want and scream about artistry until you're blue in the face but if you can't pay your power bill you can't hit the record button in the studio.

labels with a vast variety of bands signed to their roster don't have different criteria either, they're just hoping one of the random bands they've got signed happens to be playing next week's hit flavour.

Wow, Mars Volta, Rihanna and Creed in the same sentence. That conjures up so many images of awful music by brain is almost fried.

@mr. dave: Well put, sir...

Well put yourself Mr. Adidasss.

This would indeed make a great thesis for a paper... I think most labels probably have a strategic plan, ya know, certain no. of artists that appeal to certain audiences, etc... so they are hitting their targets correctly... kinda like GM and Ford might only market certain cars so as to not overflood thue maarketplace with the same product and not sell many of any, losing money on production, promotion, etc...

As much as we don't like to ponder it, I guess its still a business working under modern business priciples...

Congrats to Scott Stapp, the only person who Kid Rock can call an idiot, thus setting a new standard for dumb****ery.
I listened to Creed for about year, when I was 8 going on 9. So I guess I had a viable excuse. But in high school? Hard to believe, Creed fans to me just exist so Pearl Jam fantards have something to make fun of.

But I still find Stapp's use of pronunciation to be ****ing hilarious, a mahn among mahns in that regard.

can someone post a link of him rapping?

isn't he deaf in one ear? I think I heard that. That's the man reason he pronounces things the way he does. To me it always sounded like he had marbles in his mouth and was trying to sing but when I found out the deaf thing I stopped making fun of him for it.



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I can still remember some of the music board arguments re: Pearl Jam vs. Creed... some truly hilarious arguments,, generally poorlyv moderated...

I bought 60 CD's from a friend whose moving away and Creed is on my list to listen to next with there HUMAN CLAY album. So, tomorow, when I jump in my truck and head to work, they'll be playing.

I have heard plenty of Creed on the radio and from WWE and such but will definitely be giving them a chance when I listen. "My Sacrifice" and "With Arms Wide Open" are great tracks and I hope that I find some more when I listen to this album.

O.O damn... ppl still like them that are over the age of 30.
My mom owns the Human Clay album and was glad to let her keep it.

I give Creed -2/5

how do you think bands like creed and nickelback make so much money? They hit the target adult comtemp. audience which has the buying power to keep them with platinum records

Very dissapointed. Everything was all wrong, and when they did something mediocre in a song, they'd soon ruin it somehow.

*high fives addidas*

Creed's coming here to where I live in November, but I'm not sure if I'm gonna go. Hell I'd like to, but I don't think I'd fit in that scene too well. When you look at me, you don't exactly think I listen to rock and stuff. Plus nobody I know really likes it enough to actually go to a concert, so I'd be going alone, which would obviously be no fun.

What?

Of all their CD's Human Clay was the one that was least horrible. What didn't you like about it.

I thought for a second they started ripping off metallica instead of pearl jam with whatever track 2 is called.

Huh? Since when does it take two people to enjoy music? I've been to plenty of gigs by myself and had a blast...:\

Yeah they definately are pretty good

Been to plenty of gigs by myself and had a GREAT time! Gigs are not necessarily social occasions... the music is too loud, you get beer spilt on you, you get crushed, have your toes stepped pn...not exactly the most social environment...

I am part owner of a private bar and we keep creed in the juke box for profiling. Along with nickleback they are the worst mainstream band of the last 20 years.

they sound like Pearl Jam ripoffs to me.

Never heard that one before...:rolleyes:

I don't understand the Pearl Jam comparison. They sound nothing alike.

The singers sound alike

The only thing Creed and Pearl Jam have in common is thatthey're both ****ty post-grunge bands. Matt Cameron is awesome though.

Whether you like Pearl Jam or not I can't see any possible way that it makes sense to describe them as post-grunge.

:laughing: Yeah, that was a pretty dumbass thing to say...

Pearl Jam is grunge like nirvana is grunge. I dont know where ths post bull **** is coming from.

I wish I could go to your bar and put money in the tip jar.