what about them?
 

is it me or new rock artists ( such as avril, maroon 5, link, and so on :bringit: ) don't have any ideea bout the real sound of rock? and i'm talkin' bout those values that gave birth to "ROCK"( as a word, a way of life and thinking): starting with led zep and deep purple, up to metallica, iron m, and the unique nirvana?
ps: don't u jump down my throat if u like lavigne! :nono:

I don't like to believe any specific music genre has "values" that are associated with it, hopefully. Besides, you seem to be comparing different genres to begin with. No one thinks of Avril and Maroon 5 in the same sense as Zeppelin or Nirvana.

Don't worry wolfhunt, nobody with a sence of music would ever place Avril Lavinge and Maroon 5 in the genre of Rock. Avril may think she's rock and may have 13 year old girls fooled, but really who gives a crap if thats what 13 years olds think.

As for Maroon 5, they don't even take a rock direction. They would be pop/blues or whatever, but just because theres a guitar and drumkit doesn't mean it's rock. So to conclude, lol, those artists arn't worth mentioning in this thread.

its cuz they dont play rock. they're pop bands

Laughs... Avril swears she's "so punk" ha! I wish could spend one day in my life, just to see it kick her a$s! poor dumb girl, too bad she's never had to go up against real rock chicks like Sherly Manson, Cortnie Love, or Brody Dalle! I think someone should slap her for her ignorance. (and post skript excuse my spelling.)

i'm saying this just to help (really really) it's Courtney Love

For someone that plays songs written by LA Reed, Avril is not half as bad as she should be. At least she doesnt lip synch, you gotta give her that. I don't really think she puts herself "up there" (not that those girls you mentioned are any better) and I don't think she considers herself "punk". If in fact she does, then her and her 12 year old prepubescent fans are the only ones who think so, so I say let them be cute and have their fun, cause eventually they'll start to figure things out. :thumb:

Cant i make a long banter about how i hate Avril with a passion first?

I pay no attention to the likes of MTV or anything like that & up until a couple of months ago had no idea who maroon 5 were or what songs they sing.

I never considered it a loss.

thanx , guys... now now, don't cut urselves with sharp knives. i see ur into REAL rock so... be reasonable
peace

Save it for someone who`ll be around in 2 years time.

Although I hate Avril, you're right, 12 year old girls have to like something, and it's better Avril than some pepsi commerial s.lut. And a 12 year old who has any sence of music will definatly figure it out. However when I was young my favorite band was the Foo Fighters and hasn't changed... so who knows.

why?

Why are you comparing "good" (even though I don't like any of them) classic rock/metal bands to bad current ones? Can't I compare Sonic Youth to Journey and make the same point in reverse?

Im not COMPARING, i'm just saying that rock isn't exactly evolving :bringit: , which makes me go crazy, for these "artists" calling themselves punks or whatever, place deep **** on the music market, and the worst part: it's catchy!.... hm...i'm tired... :(

I agree that rock is not evoling, in fact I think that the newly found Pop "Stars" are taking over. No one seems to have a mind of thier own anymore, they hear the lastest and greatest on MTV. Since MTV is playing it, it might as well be great, RIGHT?? I have not heard or seen anything good on MTV in a long time. Funny story: The only time I've heard anything good on MTV was when I was watching MTV in a forgien country. Goes to show that there are good bands out there; for some reason we can't see them. They are and will forever be feeding us F'ing Sh!t. Sorry!!

It seriously pisses me off that Avril, Ashley (heartburn queen) and all the other little girls get this ridiculous amount of money for something someone else wrote, and more than likely someone else will sing. They are just walking talking dolls, for the record companies to control.

i agree. why shouldn't I? MTV has become hypnotizing machine filling our heads ( ears) with comercial stuff, but well it's their job. i think Vh1 still offers some good music (old as we speak) and it's worth it.
well...at least some of us still HAVE "a mind of our own" and listen to what they feel is right , not to what is dictated to them...

No, no, no it's not MTV's job to feel my head with commerical stuff. To me MTV stands for Music Television Videos now in my mind I should be able to watch music videos of all kinds. I don't care that they play that sh!tty pop crap, what bothers me is that; that is the only thing they play. Oh they add an occasional hip-hop song, but come on they've forgotten the most important genre of music there?????

First off, those artists that call themselves "punk" or whatever label they want, you have to realize they and their prepubescent fans are the only ones that think so. You are totally mixing up two different genres here. It isn't a matter of opinion, avril and maroon 5 specifically are pop.
As far as MTV, you should be lucky that they play music to begin with, because if anything, it is just another reality show channel. You guys seem to be forgetting that pop has always been "taking over", and to say rock isnt evolving is naive. There is plenty of good music out there past or present, go find it. If you hate MTV and Avril so much, then turn off the TV, and let the 13 year olds have their fun. :thumb:

well, u do have a point. optimistic guy... very! u'r kinda saying (singing): Let it be, let it be...
peace

[QUOTE=wolfhunt]Im not COMPARING, i'm just saying that rock isn't exactly evolving :bringit: [QUOTE]

Ofcourse rocks evolving! If that you mean into greedy corperate pigs! Music is a reflection of the era and vibe in which it were created - 70s was the era of freedom, sex and recreational drugs - just like Zeppelin and Sabbith. 2000s, the area of corperate thurst, depression and angry masterbation -just like Good charlotte! :D

How naive are you?

MTV is a commercial station run by sponsers , it`s not their job to find new music. It`s their job to show what sells & what`s popular , which most of the time is pre packaged corporate crap.
You want good music , get off your arse & find it yourself.

In that case, where the hell did I leave my time machine...

:afro:

Heh - well I caught the end of the 70's but was a tad young to enjy all that!

:P

Mainstream rock is hardly ever evolved. There are a lot of bands outside the mainstream that are very creative and innovative.

Like everyone else said, the thread started off with comparing two different styles of music. I love Nirvana, Pink Floyd, Queen, Blur, the Clash, Soundgarden, Cream, so many older bands but I also love Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branch, Sarah McLachlan and other singers. I love listening to Avril's music, especially her first cd. Alot of the songs are relaxing and really pretty, and I like her clothes, dvd w/ music vids and concert, ext. Her B-sides are good too, like Take It. As for Good Charlotte, Linkin Park and all that, I'm not really big on that many of today's bands but for people that like them I don't see the problem. I also don't see why everyone complains about MTV all the time either. I don't have that channel but I used to watch it now and then back in the 80's and early 90's. It's just a tv channel. Although judging from the tv guide it looks like it's mostly filled with reality shows.

i guess there's nothing bad in listening to"naked" or "i'm with u" if u really feel like hearing something light , simple, and chilling... but it won't inspire u or put u in the mood as... let's say "stareway to heaven "would do...

^^ Avril is a product of L.A. Reid, the same man who was the mastermind behind the stretch pants of MC Hammer. He told her what to sound like, what to wear, and who to deal with. She takes credit for co-writing her own songs, but in all reality her writing team are the ones who come up with the Total Request angst.

yea theres not much good artists nowdays.

You`re not looking hard enough

theres loads of "good" artists around. just not many "great" artists at the moment. theres also a lot of **** around too.

I think there are , It`s just people are always banging on about the good old days so much.

People are afraid to stick their necks out & so they carry on being safe listening to albums 30 or 40 years old that are considered 'classics'. I get so sick of people going on & on about how great something was in the 60s or 70s.Don`t get me wrong I like those albums too , but I want to put my own stamp on music.If I have kids I want to show them great music from MY youth , not my parents.
Personally i`d take Sigur Ros or GYBE over anything Pink Floyd ever did , I think OK Computer pisses over Sgt Pepper , Deloused In The Comatorium is better than anything Led Zeppelin ever did.

But I know what i`ll hear 'OOOOHHHH you can`t say that, they are classics'

I know they are & personally I couldn`t give a **** if they are or not.