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Hank The Drifter 11-11-2010 04:08 PM

Proto-Metal.
 
I'm hoping there are some interest in this type music here. There are some fairly well known bands that fit right into this genre. Deep Purple, Sir Lord Baltimore, Flower Travellin' Band, and so own. Anyway, while I really like this bands I'm more interested in the lesser known bands of these types.

I use this term to describe bands that have that certain mix of progressive rock, heavy psych, or hard blues. The normal era in which these bands can be found are late sixties on into the mid seventies and I'm sure later.

Well known bands;
Blue Oyster Cult
Sir Lord Baltimore
Deep Purple
Uriah Heep
Wishbone Ash
Led Zeppelin (arguable)
UFO ^
Flower Travellin' Band
Iron Butterfly

Lesser known bands;
Argus
Buffalo
Blues Creation
Dies Irae
Iron Claw
Leaf Hound
Lucifer's Friend
Lucifer Was
Speed, Glue, and Shinki
Supernaut
Wicked Lady
Sorcery
Yesterday's Children
Atomic Rooster
Icecross
Toad
Night Sun

Anyway, anyone dig this early metal type stuff?

Also, I understand this thread may not be appropriate so lock it or move it or whatever.

Certif1ed 01-22-2011 04:14 AM

This looks a good thread to me - and there's plenty of stuff here you might want to get your teeth into, pity it took me so long to notice this!

Meanwhile, I gotta check out some of the names on your list that I'm unfamiliar with, and you might want to check out Dust, whose second album from 1972 contains some mind blowing proto/actual metal.

Nightsun and Buffalo are amazing, BTW - good list.

Howard the Duck 01-22-2011 07:14 AM

Blue Cheer for me.

King Crimson's Red

James 01-22-2011 07:19 AM

Atomic Rooster are pretty amazing.

Wyrd 01-22-2011 08:40 AM

Haha Blue Cheer or Uriah Heep for me. I love those guys.

Dotoar 01-22-2011 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certif1ed (Post 989386)
and you might want to check out Dust, whose second album from 1972 contains some mind blowing proto/actual metal.

Second! But do not make the mistake of dismissing the self-titled either, very much like a polished Sir Lord Baltimore (which you also should check out). The second, "Hard attack" is a minor masterpiece though. The first three tracks rule.

The aforementioned Lucifer's Friend is worth a second mention also. Their first album is the most metal-like and probably the most obvious candidate here. I'd like to bang the drum for "Banquet" as well, not a glimpse of hard rock but surprisingly profound jazz-fusion prog rock, and Lawton has got one of the most powerful voices ever.

Screen13 01-22-2011 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 989410)
Blue Cheer for me.

King Crimson's Red


Blue Cheer I agree with.

Parts of Crimson's debut are equal with Red in my book for this thread.

jackhammer 01-23-2011 06:34 PM

Hard Stuff's album Bulletproof (1972) is well worth a listen:

TockTockTock 01-23-2011 08:01 PM

Blue Cheer and Black Sabbath (surprised nobody has mentioned them yet).

Janszoon 01-23-2011 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackPat (Post 990452)
...Black Sabbath (surprised nobody has mentioned them yet).

Probably because they're metal not proto-metal.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 01-23-2011 08:21 PM

I've never actually heard the term 'proto-metal' before. But, I like some Blue Oyster Cult, and grew up listening, and loving, Deep Purple(father would listen to them ad nausea. One of the few bands I - did not- grow tired of). Edit: somehow "not grow tired of" turned into it's antithesis "grew out of".

The thing I liked most about Deep Purple where the really extended jams, and absolute 100% dedication to sheer egotistical tech-wank within them. If I were to explore this genre, what bands would you say best tipify those aspects?

Hank The Drifter 01-25-2011 11:50 PM

Good to see this threads alive and well. I had forgotten about it haha. Anyway, there's some really awesome stuff I didn't mention in my original post I did know about that some of you have covered and some stuff I didn't know about. I might try and add more to this thread a little later. Good to see that people appreciate this type of stuff though.

Hank The Drifter 02-01-2011 08:13 PM

Sorry for the double post, but I felt like giving another band or two here that I thought was a must.


Chumley 04-30-2011 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 990458)
Probably because they're metal not proto-metal.

What?

Black Sabbath was the most proto-metal band of the early '70's.

Toad
Night Sun
May Blitz
Thundermug
Warhorse
Captain Beyond
Armageddon
Sudden Death
Writing On The Wall
Horse
Josefus
T.2.
Dragonfly
Dark
Help
Euclid
Poobah
Yesterdays Children
Haystacks Balboa
Stray
Ancient Grease

There are alot of proto-metal bands out there. I could go on.

The Batlord 04-30-2011 12:04 PM

I've just started getting into old 70s proto-metal/metal and I'm really digging it right now. Been listening to Sabbath and Deep Purple almost constantly. Also Rainbow, Blue Cheer, Sir Lor Baltimore, Blue Oyster Cult, and I'm listening to Lucifer's Friend right now. ****in' awesome! Long live the riff.


Mondo Bungle 02-09-2017 05:04 PM

I've been listening to this album so much. Pretty damn heavy with Iron Maiden style speed metal riffs as well as heavy doom crushers. On the whole not as heavy as Master of Reality, but just listen to "Primitive Man". So damn badass. Also they jam hella gnar.



if Filosofem were recorded in the late 60s/early 70s, it'd be this. Plus long form guitar suites so fuzzy they often slip into bouts of Sonic Youthy indiscernible noise. Simplistic drum patterns and basslines pound away while these supremely distorted guitars buzzsaw all kinds of sickness.



Surprisingly dark and twisted stuff here that can dirge on into heavy macabre



Another slab of fuzzcore like The Wicked Lady, but this is better. Wouldn't hesitate to call it one of the best of it's kind. It's got the heavy noise rock riffs and all the psychedelic meandering you need. Very much ahead of it's time.



Shredding display of prog/psych guitar madness. I can't find a link for this though and I'd really like one.



Almost a funky edition of the fuzz rock, also quite experimental and Throbbing Gristly


Electrophonic Tonic 02-09-2017 09:43 PM

I'm glad you dug this thread up, Mondo. Lots of great stuff here, especially Armageddon and Jerusalem. I haven't heard Dark or Germany Oak, so I'll be definitely checking those out next. I'll throw down some of the stuff I've checked out of late:

Gun st/ (1968)
It's a bit of a mess since there are these somewhat out of place splashes of horns. They do go a bit soft more often than you should hear on one of these proto-metal albums, but the riffs are on point and they can get into an almost Iron Maiden-like gallop when they get going. Also, the cover is metal as **** too.


Iron Claw (1970-1975)
They are mentioned by OP, but it's still worth posting a link. These guys are maybe the first band that crawled out of the primordial soup of Black Sabbath worship. This is a compilation of everything they did and it does get a bit proggy later in their careers, but they made some excellent proto-doom for 1970 on tracks like Winter and Skullcrusher.


Bedemon (1973-1986)
Bedemon was an offshoot of Pentagram. They recorded a few songs here and there, but nothing was released until the mid 2000's, much like Iron Claw. The audio quality is rough, even by early 70's proto-metal standards. The first few tracks are from 1973 and 1975, so very much in the proto-metal timeframe. It's just the later tracks on this compilation that are from the very late 70's and mid 80's.

Electrophonic Tonic 03-22-2017 07:39 PM

These guys were part of the Detroit proto-punk scene in the late 60's/early 70's with the Stooges and MC5.

The Up


Lisnaholic 01-17-2018 06:59 AM

Bumping this thread as part of this game: http://www.musicbanter.com/games-lis...litz-game.html

In fact I see that there are already a lot of lists of proto-metal bands, but perhaps there is room to add in a few more, or mention any of our own particular favourites. :)

rubber soul 01-17-2018 07:18 AM

The Stooges, MC5...


How about Thin White Rope? Do they count?



OccultHawk 01-17-2018 08:50 AM



Not claiming **** about the dates

Brokarucci 01-18-2018 01:36 PM

This thread is an awesome chance to add something interesting to my library, thanks!

Maajo 01-25-2018 01:22 PM

Love the early "proto" metal sound from the late 60s that was basically pioneered by the hard psych rock bands of the time. Cream, Hendrix, Blue Cheer, also prog rock like King Crimson can't be overlooked especially for their influence on progressive metal. Even the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and hard funk like Funkadelic's early albums and Stand!-era Sly & the Family Stone had some really heavy sounds for the time that'd influence metal to come.


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