Bogus.

Bogus?

Dokken has a great voice, being able to hit a wide range of notes. Motley Crue's singer sounds like a ten year old girl who accidentally stepped on a nail. Heh, just kidding, it's all good. Everyone has their preferences. I agree that the band was kind of inoffensive, which is why George Lynch forced them to step up their metal game with "Tooth and Nail", and it works really well. Harmonies alongside solid guitar work, but without the synth/soft keyboard stuff they usually loaded their songs up with. Give it a shot, you might at the very least find that it wasn't a complete waste of time.

:)

Even though Motley Crue were far more essential, I actually like some of Dokken's material.

George Lynch for the win!

And Yngwie Malmsteen was a guitar god who couldn't write an interesting song to save his life. Just because Dokken's singer could sing doesn't give him any more personality. Say what you want about Vince Neil as a singer, but he was the embodiment of sleaze.

I'd take Too Fast For Love & Shout At The Devil over anything Dokken have ever done.
Who cares if Vince Neil can barely sing a note, it's hair metal, not opera.

But it's true! In a blind taste test, nine out of ten Americans prefer Dokken-Pepsi over Motely Coke! Not to mention that Crue's bassist was technically dead during most of their career, and nobody could tell the difference.

He overdosed, broke out of the hospital, overdosed again, and then turned it into one of their best songs. That's the beating heart of rock'n'roll right there.

Motley - 1
Dokken - **** off

And Dokken didn't need excessive drugs to deal with life. That is called independence, also known as the "true" heart of Rock 'n Roll.

Motley - 1
Dokken - Isn't even bothering to keep score, too busy rocking

When Aerosmith were filthy addicts, they were one of the greatest rock bands in history. When they got clean, they recorded "Janie's Got a Gun".

Drug bands - 2
Suckass non-drug bands - so lame they should start playing polka

Wasted - Johnny Thunders
Never taken a drug in his life - Gene Simmons

3 : 0

Wasted - Replacements
Never taken a drug in his life - Ted Nugent

4 : 0

Bill Clinton

Drugs: 420

No drugs: -184,403,285,394

I personally favor Motley way over Dokken, though I do like some of Dokken's stuff.

I think all the Motley albums from the 80s hold up pretty well, except for maybe Theatre of Pain. The mixing on that album, aside from the singles, isn't the greatest. Its still pretty Motley though.

To me, Motley is glam metal and glam metal is Motley. They represent the genre 100%.

Let's face it, Dokken's only real redeeming quality is Lynch.

Truth

You think Aerosmith is one of the greatest rock bands in history? Not to be rude, but... Why? Regardless of if you're judging from skill, influence, image, or even just popularity, they weren't "one of the greatest" rock bands of the 70's, let alone all of history.

And as an aside, John Lennon wrote some of his best work after recognizing how much of his life had been destroyed by his behavior, and attempting to clean up his act. The trend isn't so much that "drugs = good music", rather they destroy people's lives, which gives them a very dark and realistic point of view to write songs from. Saying that hard drugs are awesome based on that is like hearing a song written by a genocide survivor, and shouting "Wooo! Genocide's are awesome, they make for the best songs!"

And lastly, drugs were responsible for Atilla (Billy Joel's Psych/Metal band from his early years).

Let's be realistic here... Van Halen are the hair metal band. They practically invented the genre. They set the trend of "sleazy singer + insanely talented guitarist = money". And if we're talking about the best hair/glam metal band (rather than album, which is why I brought up Dokken's Tooth and Nail), don't forget about "W.A.S.P."! They're just like Motley Crue, but with a male lead singer!

I thought that was furniture polish. ;)

Heh.

One of the greatest American rock bands in history? Without a doubt.

Yeah... so true. Get Your Wings, Rocks, Toys In The Attic.
One of the best blues/rock bands during the 70s for sure.

Aerosmith were probably the reason why most of the bands that you love, decided to pick up instruments and form a band in the first place.

Most of the bands I love are from the 1960's, so... Unless Aerosmith used the power of rock to travel back in time for an excellent adventure, I doubt it.

I'm referring to any bands of the hard rock and heavy metal genre from the mid 1970s to late 1980s period. And since this is about Ratt and glam metal related bands, most of these bands were inspired by Aerosmith.

If you don't like any of these bands, then I'll take back my original statement.

I wish Bad Company would have a cage match with Aerosmith. Then we'd find out for sure who the best is, subjectivity be damned. Until then, please stop insulting all of the rock bands of the 70's by associating them with the wannabe southern-rockers that subjected the world to "Ragdoll" "Dude Looks Like a Lady", and "I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing". Aerosmith and Steven Tyler had a few good songs, maybe even a few good albums, but that does not make them them great, and certainly not one of "the greatest".

Hard Rock and Heavy Metal... Influenced by Aerosmith? You've got it backwards. I can understand if you like Aerosmith, but to try to claim that they were influential on every Hard Rock and Heavy Metal band is really reaching, and you know it. It's actually kind of insulting to all of the people who actually did progress the genres to that point, because it glosses right over them, as if "rock" didn't exist until Aerosmith started playing.

The fact is that Aerosmith did exactly what every other generic southern-rock band in the 70's did, sharing the same influences, and very few people cite them as a major influence. If Aerosmith hadn't existed, would the world of rock really have changed all that much? I challenge you to name one band that would have never been formed if they hadn't heard Aerosmith (and Aerosmith cover bands don't count, obviously).

You've picked three examples from their post Permanent Vacation period.

When people refer to Aerosmith as one of the greatest rock bands in history they're referring to their 1970s output.

Obviously it is in doubt, else we'd not be discussing it. Got any other generic sentiments to share?

#1 - Aerosmith is about as far removed from Southern Rock as any band I can think of. The fact that you keep referring to them that way really waters down your opinion of the band.

#2 - Tons of rockers from the mid to late 70s and after cite Aerosmith as influences.

Rock This Way || What Other Artists Has Said About Aerosmith

Really? And when did America cast a vote for their "greatest rock bands in history"? I must have missed the ballot. I would have voted for The Sonics before Aerosmith. Even though they mostly did covers, at least they contributed to the world of music with something unique, which is their speed, attitude, and a unique sound that has yet to be replicated. Whereas with Aerosmith, their sound can easily be replicated; simply walk into a truck stop bathroom and listen closely.

Two thousand pounds of rockers must be right, then. Well, with so many, it surely must be a simple task to name just one significant rock band that wouldn't exist today if not for Aerosmith. Please prove me wrong, someone has to, or the bad guy wins. And that just won't do.

I was referring to bands of a genre style like those that have been mentioned in this thread. Well known artists like James Hetfield and Slash for example state how listening to Aeromsith got them into the business in the first place.

And as has been said I've got no idea why you keep referring to Aerosmith as southern rock.

To save going round in circles, who are some of your favourite bands or types of music?

I don't remember. But what I do know is that my favorite bands can beat up your favorite bands. By the way, I just got over a hundred posts! Thanks, guys, for all the support!

Now let me break something down. Aerosmith is rock. Steven Tyler (much like Bruce Springsteen *shudders*) often pretends to be a country singer. Thus, they would like to be country rock, also known as southern rock. Unless the definition changed again...

And I am pretty sure Hetfield and Slash would have become musicians if not for Aerosmith. Just because they liked them doesn't mean that they needed them. Both were practicing music before they'd ever even heard Aerosmith.

As long as you're admitting to trolling I'm out. Have a nice day.

What? Bad guys can have legitimate points, you know. Sauron had some very progressive tax reforms. But if you really think that every person who dislikes Aerosmith and has a sense of humor is a "troll", then I feel sorry for you; you're missing out. We're actually a decent bunch.

What in the Fuck are you talking about!?

Oh, whoops... Am I accidentally typing in Spanish again? Yo Soy? Triste, amigo.

We've been trying to work that out for his last few posts here.

Sorry, man, but sometimes I get bored of going back and forth and make weird jokes. So... What do you want to talk about? How 'bout that band Dokken, huh? They sure were influential. More influential, one might say, than other hair metal bands. For example, oh, say... Motley Crue?