Metal Wars!!!!!!!!!!!

LOLPOCALYPSE · 07-31-2011, 08:11 PM

You were saying those two bands weren't industrial music. Nobody said they were "industrial music". They said they were "industrial metal". Those are two different genres. Of course they are not the same. Fear Factory does not sound like "actual industrial music" (Throbbing Gristle) because it is industrial metal. Not industrial music. But you can see how industrial metal is clearly a derivative form of industrial music.

So, again:

Industrial music ≠ Industrial metal

Industrial music -> Industrial metal

Better?

**Janszoon** · 07-31-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

You were saying those two bands weren't industrial music. Nobody said they were "industrial music".

Er... I never claimed anyone said that.

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

They said they were "industrial metal". Those are two different genres. Of course they are not the same. Fear Factory does not sound like "actual industrial music" (Throbbing Gristle) because it is industrial metal. Not industrial music. But you can see how industrial metal is clearly a derivative form of industrial music.

My whole point was that it isn't a derivative form of industrial music and thus the "industrial" half of the name "industrial metal" is a misnomer.

Metal Connoisseur · 07-31-2011, 08:47 PM

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My whole point was that it isn't a derivative form of industrial music and thus the "industrial" half of the name "industrial metal" is a misnomer.

What would you quantify as being "post-industrial" or influenced by industrial bands like Throbbing Gristle?

**Janszoon** · 07-31-2011, 09:13 PM

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What would you quantify as being "post-industrial" or influenced by industrial bands like Throbbing Gristle?

Artists that I would say sort of carried the banner of industrial and fused it into myriad hybrid styles would be people like Swans, Skinny Puppy, Foetus and, to a certain extent, Ministry.

Unknown Soldier · 08-01-2011, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Er... I never claimed anyone said that.

My whole point was that it isn't a derivative form of industrial music and thus the "industrial" half of the name "industrial metal" is a misnomer.

But industrial metal doesn`t necessarily have to sound like industrial music, just share some of its traits such as repetitiveness and bleak sounding backdrops of which in this case the FF album has. The nature of industrial metal and its different heavy metal influences, is always going to make it sound different to what an industrial music fan might think.

**Janszoon** · 08-01-2011, 05:05 AM

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But industrial metal doesn`t necessarily have to sound like industrial music, just share some of its traits such as repetitiveness and bleak sounding backdrops of which in this case the FF album has. The nature of industrial metal and its different heavy metal influences, is always going to make it sound different to what an industrial music fan might think.

I'm not saying I'd expect industrial metal to sound like pure industrial, I'm saying I'd expect it to sound like a hybrid of industrial and metal, but it doesn't even sound like that. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Unknown Soldier · 08-01-2011, 11:36 AM

This is looking like it could be a tight battle, if you haven`t voted yet go ahead and place your vote. The vote currently stands at:

Strapping Young Lad 2
Fear Factory 3

Mondo Bungle · 08-01-2011, 11:40 AM

SYL 3
FF 3

I never could get into FF that much, and Devin Townsend is pretty awesome.

LoathsomePete · 08-01-2011, 11:42 AM

If you liked the drumming of Gene Hoglan for SYL, he's the current drummer for Fear Factory and provided the drums on their last album Mechanize (2010) which was a lot better then I was expecting. Just thought I'd mention that.

Mondo Bungle · 08-01-2011, 11:45 AM

Oh yeah I love the Atomic Clock. Although my favorite work of his has to be with Death.

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LOLPOCALYPSE Aryan Wonder Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 445	You were saying those two bands weren't industrial music. Nobody said they were "industrial music". They said they were "industrial metal". Those are two different genres. Of course they are not the same. Fear Factory does not sound like "actual industrial music" (Throbbing Gristle) because it is industrial metal. Not industrial music. But you can see how industrial metal is clearly a derivative form of industrial music. So, again: Industrial music ≠ Industrial metal Industrial music -> Industrial metal Better?

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Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	This is looking like it could be a tight battle, if you haven`t voted yet go ahead and place your vote. The vote currently stands at: Strapping Young Lad 2 Fear Factory 3