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Labirent 05-08-2013 05:25 PM

Nonexistent genre, what to do?
 
Hi all,

My question is going to sound delusional but I'm having sleepless nights over it, paired with a dose of nausea, so I hope any of you will be able to help me out of my misery.

I play the bass and I love both rock and metal, but I also love the disco genres: Techno, House, Electronic music and I love Ethnic vocals. All of these genres have sounds in common and I have found a way to combine these genres. It sounds good, it's rock with an influence of the darker sounds of the disco genres I said.

My problem is: this is something that does not exist. I have never heard such music. It does not fit in any subgenre and the only musical people I know won't want to work with me because everybody wants to stick to the known familiar genres. And unfortunatly it's impossible to do this on my own.

What do I have to do? Is it possible to find people who would want to try this with me or is there no chance and should I get it off my head?
Should I try it anyway and if yes, where should I look for a band?
Or should I stick to the known and make "normal" music?

Please help me. I'm really stuck. I have such great ideas, tons of lyrics, basslines and many more. But I'm on my own.
Is it possible?

*Nonexistent I mean..

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-08-2013 05:27 PM

It's not new
Primal Scream, Death In Vegas and a whole other bunch of bands were mixing electronic music with rock music back in the mid 90s.

Labirent 05-08-2013 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1317043)
It's not new
Primal Scream, Death In Vegas and a whole other bunch of bands were mixing electronic music with rock music back in the mid 90s.

I know of them, but what I'm trying is different. Not the same.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-08-2013 05:33 PM

Use it as your starting point. look for people who like those bands.

Labirent 05-08-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1317045)
Use it as your starting point. look for people who like those bands.

I have made some sounds on my own to give everybody an idea of what I'm trying to do but nobody wants to try it.
Most of them love it, but I don't know what's holding them back.
I'm losing it.

P A N 05-08-2013 06:01 PM

I say just keep practing and socializing. There are a lot of musicians in the world, and finding the right ones is an execise of patience.

Something else you might want to consider is that most musicians are only willing to selflessly play along with someone's idea or vision if they're being paid to do so. I'm assuming - like most artists - you're not made of money, so instead of pitching a predisposed notion of what you want "your band" to sound like, try pitching yourself to people as an open-minded experimenter interested in trying and creating new things. It could end up being fun and surprising to go this route as opposed to being stressed out about expectations. Bands are a give-and-take kinda thing. People get freaked out by ideologues.

jackhammer 05-08-2013 06:03 PM

If this is the music you want to play then hold onto it and don't give up. Don't compromise your own principles in order to satisfy others.

There is a huge amount of bands out there who mesh seemingly disparate genres together and sound awesome : Dog Fashion Disco, Kayo Dot, Akphaezya, Maudlin Of The Well, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Ulver, Valravn etc so don't despair.

Labirent 05-08-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by P A N (Post 1317051)
I say just keep practing and socializing. There are a lot of musicians in the world, and finding the right ones is an execise of patience.

Something else you might want to consider is that most musicians are only willing to selflessly play along with someone's idea or vision if they're being paid to do so. I'm assuming - like most artists - you're not made of money, so instead of pitching a predisposed notion of what you want "your band" to sound like, try pitching yourself to people as an open-minded experimenter interested in trying and creating new things. It could end up being fun and surprising to go this route as opposed to being stressed out about expectations. Bands are a give-and-take kinda thing. People get freaked out by ideologues.

I tried jamming with others, punkers, heavy metal groups, classic rockbands, name it. Every time I suggested something, for example adding ethnic tribal percussions paired with flute, even showed them how to play it, they looked at me as if I was mental.
Maybe I'm just in the wrong area or haven't met the right people.

Labirent 05-08-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1317052)
If this is the music you want to play then hold onto it and don't give up. Don't compromise your own principles in order to satisfy others.

There is a huge amount of bands out there who mesh seemingly disparate genres together and sound awesome : Dog Fashion Disco, Kayo Dot, Akphaezya, Maudlin Of The Well, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Ulver, Valravn etc so don't despair.

Thank you, I'm getting quite desperate but giving up would hurt me more I think.
This line: "Don't compromise your own principles in order to satisfy others" just woke me up and brought me to reality.
There have to be some people willing to experiment. Somewhere.

The Batlord 05-09-2013 10:40 AM

College campuses maybe? I imagine they would have more open minded people than other places. Other than that all I can say is just to keep up with it if for no other reason than to please yourself. If at the end of the day you can find pleasure in doing something then anything else is just a bonus.

Powerstars 05-26-2013 05:39 PM

Maybe give us a sample of your music so we judge what it sounds like. I'd call it Discock...not trying to be explicit, just fusing "Disco" and "Rock"...but it is funny. :D

Blarobbarg 05-26-2013 07:30 PM

May I ask how old you are? If you're a bit on the younger side, most kids aren't willing to compromise or make interesting music, they just want to do what everyone else does. There are tons and tons of people out there making "weird" music. Try getting in touch with your local music scene, you might be surprised to find like-minded musicians.

anathematized_one 05-29-2013 07:58 PM

I am not saying this is the case here, but I hear of a LOT of people saying they're doing something new or innovative and they almost never are.

If you're looking for band mates, don't market it beyond a basic description. Even then, typically when one band member is the primary idea and everyone else is a glorified session member, the band doesn't last very long. Usually what happens is that reliable people are difficult to find for such a thing or the ones that are worthwhile get bored. I have been in suh projects and believe me, playing the same two unfinished songs for two months, never playing a show and having better things to do with my time that I can be more emotionally invested in than some other person's vision that I do not share causes me to get bored and leave REALLY quick.

I have several musical projects... all of them are solo projects because most of them are extreme metal and I live in a very socially conservative "bubba redneck" area. It is not impossible to do on your own either. I get excellent quality in my recordings and I have a standard computer, a cheap vocal microphone, my guitars and virtual instruments (like drum machine). I record direct into the mic jack via an adapter with my guitar and use a virtual amp and I record using Reaper. My whole set up, not including the computer, was $200. I don't even have a mixing board. Tons of solo projects do this and many are very successful in comparison to their respective fields (Mirrorthrone, for example).

So basically you have the only viable options of: solo project, solo project with paid session musicians or to be open with the other members collaborating and the band being less or other than what your vision is.


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