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The Batlord 08-29-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1362167)
Not quite Punk and not quite Metal, Infest are one of my favourite bands of all time and have one of the dirtiest sounds I have ever heard. I have mentioned them a few times on MB but **** it, they are worth it:

I've seen you mention them before but I never got around to them. That's definitely not bad. Quite possibly right up my alley.

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Denial Fiend:

Ex members of Death in here.
Dude that's cool as hell. Modern death thrash that doesn't take itself too seriously but isn't cartoonish thrashcore shit.

The Batlord 08-30-2013 08:39 AM



Wolf are pretty much the greatest NWOBHM band that ever came out of Sweden in the mid-nineties. They worship at the altar of early Maiden and Grim Reaper and care not for the the decades since. They obviously don't take themselves too seriously with songs about demons, murderers, black magic, and even one about a drunk driving teenage girl on a horrific path of death and destruction gloriously titled "Steel-Winged Savage Reaper", but retro though they may be these are no self-consciously ironic hipsters or thrash revival cretins. They approach their music with a passion that can't be faked and that transcends the silliness.

It might actually be argued that they don't quite belong here. Even if they're not particularly original they are a well-oiled machine that bleeds energy and riffs like a stuck pig. Their singer is none-more NWOBHM but his soaring vocals that can take on an aggressive bite (though never a growl or a scream) at a moment's notice exude a charisma that set Wolf head-and-shoulders above the competition. And the old school low browness can't hide a surprising grasp of subtlety, songcraft, and drama that brings alive songs that might otherwise be dismissed as merely disposable pap. In fact at times they can slow down their rapid-fire assault just a tad and channel an eerie theatricality that reveals a heavy Merciful Fate influence that they pull off like it was easy. Even the singer's style is indebted to King Diamond.

But any class is always secondary to the cheesey fun. These guys seek no awards and no accolades. The first thing on their agenda is to kick ass and the last is to take some names. Bitchin'.







The Batlord 08-30-2013 10:08 AM



Yet another band who leave subtlety beaten and bloody in a dirty alley. Wehrmacht are as much a hardcore band as a thrash band, which makes them thrashcore and NOT crossover, since crossover refers specifically to hardcore punk bands that crossover to making thrash metal and not just any thrash metal band that has a noticable hardcore punk influence. All thrash has hardcore influences. It's the difference between traditional heavy metal and thrash in the first place. Get it right, tricks.

Anywho, Wehrmacht are thrashcore but they play at such a ridiculous pace that they might even be considered grindcore much of the time. Nothing pretty here, just fast 'n' furious, heads down, aggressive metal that requires at least one keg of beer and a living room full of meathead friends in denim vest to truly appreciate. With there heavily tongue-in-cheek lyrics about shark attacks for one (any album that starts off with a guitar version of the Jaws theme is sure to be an intellectual smorgasbord) they are one of the spiritual predecessors of the modern thrash revival. Unlike those bands Wehrmacht are an actual old school band, and for whatever reason that makes all the difference. They're concerned with asskicking and a good time, whereas bands like Gama Bomb are concerned soley with self-consciously retro schtick...and having a good time.

Whatever. Wehmacht are dirty and unoriginal and all their songs sound the same. So if you're not a thrash fanatic then these morons are not for you. But if you are then they are a delightful romp that aren't necessarily essential, but they are fun nonetheless.





Forward To Death 09-16-2013 02:43 AM



What happened to this thread?

Unknown Soldier 09-16-2013 02:49 AM

The Batlord hasn't been around for almost like a week, last I heard he was addicted to playing a fantasy PC game that a friend had lent him. He's also the kind of guy that can only focus on one thing at a time, so I'm guessing he's off hunting in the countryside and caves for goblins.

Trollheart 09-17-2013 01:58 PM

Hope he makes it back for Metal Month! :(

The Batlord 11-30-2013 11:05 AM

Don't know if I'm resurrecting this or just randomly posting but I felt like talking about a band I've just listened to for the first time...


Exciter: Heavy Metal Maniac - 1983





Dude, just look at that cover. You already know what you're going to get with that cover: supreme goodness. Or supreme awfulness. Either one. And depending on whether or not you like ****ty, dated, 1980's speed metal then pick one and that's exactly what you get. From a creative standpoint this is garbage. It's basically just Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Motorhead (I'm 99.9% sure they even completely lifted the drum intro from "Overkill" for "Under Attack") and sped it up further. If that sounds dull and/or stupid, then you are correct, but if you could give a **** about things like "class" or "creativity" then this is as fantastic as you could hope for. The only thing this band really seems to have going for them is energy, but they have that in bags and bags, and even though most of the songs sound the same and all go by in a blur, they all make you want to do everything you're already doing a lot faster than normal. Go grocery shopping with this on your iPod and you may just get to the checkout counter and find that you've left a blood trail going back to the frozen food section.







Isbjørn 11-30-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1363084)
Wolf are pretty much the greatest NWOBHM band that ever came out of Sweden in the mid-nineties

*coughs loudly and gets troubles breathing*

What? How can they be "New Wave of British Heavy Metal" when they're from Sweden, and came around fifteen years after the peak of the movement? Sounds weird to me (though I may have misunderstood at some point).

The Batlord 12-02-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks (Post 1390486)
*coughs loudly and gets troubles breathing*

What? How can they be "New Wave of British Heavy Metal" when they're from Sweden, and came around fifteen years after the peak of the movement? Sounds weird to me (though I may have misunderstood at some point).

Because they sound like an NWOBHM band. Whatever you call them they're fantastic.

Primeval Scum 12-03-2013 03:39 PM

Wow, Batlord. This thread is a gold mine of awesome metal.

The Batlord 12-04-2013 11:04 AM

Slaughter: Strappado - 1987





I love eighties extreme metal. It's so ugly and ****ty sounding. Cryptopsy might be the finished article, but this kind of stuff, the stuff that you don't know whether it's thrash, black, or death metal is my bag, baby. Slaughter are a great example of this. A rough combination of thrash metal, primordial death metal, hardcore punk, and grindcore come together to form this band.

Another thing that I love is that this album is only twenty-three minutes long. The idea that an album should be longer than thirty minutes annoys me to no end. I have the attention span of a gnat and after that amount of time, unless I am truly into what I am listening to, I start to feel music fatigue. This also illustrates just how much this band is influenced by hardcore punk. The riffs are metal, the vocals cheesy thrash with a touch of death metal, but the simple ferocity of the delivery is pure punk. Many of the songs are under two minutes long, and it seems that many of the longer ones are drawn out by extended, mid-paced riffing rather than any actual songwriting. BTW, I'm pretty sure they recycle the same mid-paced riff at times throughout the album, and since it's such a simple riff, and since these sections are generally of some length, it becomes pretty obvious. If I'm wrong then they at least use a lot of really similar riffs. To some this might seem dumb, but I'm easily pleased, and this riff is heavy and catchy as ****, so I couldn't care less. And it always goes great in between the blast 'n' grind sections so it's all good.

Damn it. Where the **** is BastardofYoung to high five me for mentioning these guys?







The Batlord 12-05-2013 09:32 AM

Carnivore: Carnivore - 1985





Just FYI, if you're one of those people on this site who thinks that jokes about rape aren't ever funny then you might wanna skip this one. This band couldn't give a **** about "decency" or your "feelings". In fact the lyrics to "Male Supremacy" might just cause you to punch the nearest misogynist pig in the face...

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I live to war it's in my blood if I want it I take
The men I've killed the children slaves
and all the women I've raped
Between my legs I've got what it takes to be called a man
Fighting, feasting, ****ing all I can

Not that Carnivore should ever be taken seriously. Their self-titled song, "Carnivore" (a charming little ditty about eating pussy that has a woman moaning halfway through), has a chorus that goes "CARNIVORE!!! I'm a meat eater!" and there's even a ten-minute song called "World Wars III and IV". So yeah, my kind of douchebags.

But what exactly do they sound like? I haven't heard their second album but I hear it's supposed to be "crossover". This album has no thrashcore influences though. In fact this sounds more like speed/thrash metal with a heavy influence by trad metal like Maiden, Priest, and I'm pretty sure I hear some Dio in there too at times. My kind of douchebags. Granted, this band isn't exactly a revelation. Like most of the bands in this thread they do their job well, but without reinventing any wheels. I definitely give them credit though for being early on the scene (1985) rather than some Johnny-Come-Latelys jumping on the bangwagon around '88/'89 or so.

Of note is that this band's main claim to fame is that they were Pete Steele from Type O Negative's first band. I've only ever heard the one song by them, but there are actually some moments on this album that foreshadow what would come later. The middle of "Male Supremacy" is taken up by a melodic, laid back, rather gothic passage not a million miles away from Joy Division that, given the delightfully offensive lyrics and the take-no-prisoners nature of the music, mocks the concept of melodic, laid back, gothic, Joy Division passages while still somehow taking the idea seriously at the same time. But the best thing about this album, other than the rape jokes, is Pete Steele's voice. He has a growl/shout whose closest comparison that I can think of is Cronos from Venom. He isn't that raw, and gives it a more self-consciously campy style that isn't any less badass for it. He's seriously one of the best thrash vocalists I've ever heard. Small wonder then that his "singing" is so high in the mix.

So, basically Carnivore is good, hearty fun for the not easily offended and the discerning thrash fan. Like me. True story.









The Batlord 12-06-2013 09:33 AM



Picking my favorite Bathory album is like picking your favorite child...it's always gonna be the first one. It's still a hard choice but this album, along with Reign In Blood, was my introduction to extreme metal. Pretty much from the first time I heard the opening chords of "Hades" I worshiped the ground this band walked on and I still do. Funny thing was that I was a thirteen/fourteen year old who had avoided listening to music for the most part for most of my life (I didn't even know who Nirvana were until middle school) and I had no real concept of what made a band sound "dated" so they were just as "relevant" to me as anything. Might just be the reason why I came to love eighties metal as much as I did. But anyhoo...

This is also the most obvious choice for this thread. It's Bathory's ugliest, dirtiest, and most primitive album. Like Hellhammer and Venom this isn't much more than hardcore punk with metal riffs and abysmal production. The big hardcore influence gives this an energy that is totally infectious and, along with the monster riffs, makes this simple, catchy, and heavy as sin. Lyrically these dudes are also the same as either of the other two: Satan, Satan, Satan, and more Satan. In other words: fun, fun, fun, and more fun. Of course the album cover should have told you that in the first place. Does anything say badass Satanic metal quite like a black and white goat head with glowing red eyes on a black background under a logo with Old English font? I think not.

And I don't know about anyone else but I think Quorthon's vocals were pretty much the first time honest-to-god extreme metal vocals were used on record. Cronos and Tom Warrior had used some proto-growls in their respective bands, but neither of them had quite that same level of distorted ugliness to their voices. Yet you can still understand what he's saying for the most part, so the Satan, Satan, Satan, and more Satan is there for all to hear in all of its cheesy glory.

But of course I couldn't leave without mentioning the production. In the immortal words of Nigel Tufnel it is "none more black". I've heard it said that such-and-such album sounds like it was recorded in a garage, but this actually was recorded in a garage. On a tape recorder. Kvlt as ****. Yet even with the ****ty production they manage to get one of my favorite guitar sounds of all time. That buzzsaw guitar is simply perfect. Like as in "OMG OMG OMG!!!" kind of perfect.

RIP Quorthon. Too bad he was a racist. :(







Primeval Scum 12-07-2013 12:25 AM

Necromansy and Hades :beer::bowdown:

The Batlord 12-07-2013 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Primeval Scum (Post 1392750)
Necromansy and Hades :beer::bowdown:

I can still listen to those songs on repeat after all these years. Quorthon was a god.

The Batlord 12-07-2013 09:22 AM



Obliteration are one of the best kept secrets in modern death metal. There are plenty of nostalgia acts in metal nowadays, but very few of them are worth your time. Obliteration are the mother****ing exception to the mother****ing rule. This band follows in the footsteps of such bands as Autopsy, Obituary, and Asphyx, combining only the filthiest, sloppiest, and most primitive death metal with gloriously sludgy doom and they don't really give a **** about any of your ****ing tech death bull****. Not that these guys are the second-rate pretenders that that implies. These guys can stand toe-to-toe with the best of the old school and come out looking pretty. Yet with all their old-school chops they still manage to bring the whole thing a few steps forward. Not by much, but they don't really care about that anyway.

The thing that really gets my goat about this band is their production. Obituary's Cause of Death was a disgusting, fecal matter-covered thing of beauty, but Obliteration manage to top that album (at least as far as the production goes) with it's foul sludge. A tasty amount of reverb and murk make this album positively reek. In fact if this album were scratch 'n' sniff it would smell like the rank stench of a six-month old corpse once the grave robber has cracked the coffin lid. And you can be assured that he won't live long after that.

Man, I've been going on too long recently, so I'll just leave it at that and tell you that if you like Obituary then you need this band in your life.







Primeval Scum 12-07-2013 03:39 PM

Love that old school dm sound, I need to check out more from Obliteration.

Interesting album cover too.

The Batlord 12-09-2013 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Primeval Scum (Post 1392922)
Love that old school dm sound, I need to check out more from Obliteration.

Interesting album cover too.

They just dropped a new album last month too. Might just be their best yet. Not quite as murky as Nekropsalms and it's a bit tighter, but it's dark as **** and fantastic.



The Batlord 12-09-2013 09:08 AM



These guys are a pretty straight-up trad metal/hard rock band. They combine early Maiden, Motorhead, AC/DC and any number of other like-minded acts, all while managing to sound like themselves. They seem to have the biggest hard-on for Motorhead though. The punked-up metal/rock thing they've got going on, the Lemmy-gargling-mouthwash vocals, and a lyrical reference to "Born to Lose" and "Live to Win" (I was born to win/But we live to lose) all point to an obsession with Ace of Spades.

But whether they're the most original band on Earth is beside the point since they ****ing rule. If there was any justice they'd be bigger than Avenged Sevenfold, Three Days Grace, and Nickelback combined. They've certainly got insidiously infectious, radio-friendly songs that could obliterate the charts if they'd just be given a real shot, all while retaining more rock 'n' roll cred than all of the nu metal scene combined.

*** Edit: **** me. I keep going back to add just one more song. This whole album is just all-killer/no-filler. That's what happens when you have a thirty-minute album with only nine songs, two of which are intros.









The Batlord 12-10-2013 09:45 AM

Repulsion: Horrified - 1989 (recorded 1986)


http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01254/573...20130910174646


Any metal fan worth his salt knows that this is the real first grindcore album, as it was recorded before Napalm Death's Scum, but had the bad luck to only be released several years later. Too bad cause this is a far better album than Scum. Scum certainly has its moments but its grind sections just sound like a wall of boring noise that kills momentum rather than adds to it. No such problem with Horrified and as such the intensity level on this album is cranked up to 11. This is no-frills noise pollution with about a 50/50 mix of early death metal and the filthiest of eighties hardcore. It's pretty much a thirty-minute long headbang with the only thing really breaking up the heads down, grinding aural assault being short, mid-paced chugging riff sections that demand the jackhammering of one's skull. Honestly, there really isn't a whole lot more to say. It rules and if you're an old school death metalhead/grindcore fan then I don't know why you haven't already listened to this.





The Batlord 12-11-2013 09:25 AM

Destruction: Sentence of Death EP - 1984





Known far and wide by anyone with a lack-of-a-brain as a thrash metal band, on this, their debut EP, they were more of a primitve, none-more-filthy speed metal band. Most speed metal bands opt for an Iron-Maiden-at-double-speed approach, but Destruction seemed to have taken more inspiration from Venom and combined moderately technical (I think) metal with the piss and noise of first wave black metal to produce something feral and ugly. And say what you will about Schmier's cheesey vocals, but they do the job and bring the intensity to a higher level. I don't think they ever really topped this record, though their full-length debut, Infernal Overkill, was close, mainly because it was pretty much the same thing.

Of course I can't leave you without mentioning the cover. Just look at these goons: spiked wristbands, bullet belts, inverted-cross necklaces, far too much leather, that ****ing hair... Is it even possible to be more metal than these guys? No. It is not.

P.S. And yes, "Total Desaster" is spelled correctly.





The Batlord 12-12-2013 11:48 AM



Please don't ask me what the **** that cover is cause I haven't the foggiest, although now that I look at it it kind of looks like one of John Dyer Baizely's covers, which it obviously isn't since he was probably ****ting himself in his diapers when this was released. Anyhoo...

Hirax are weird. Musically they're much the same thing as early Destruction or any number of other early-to-mid eighties metal bands before thrash become codified: speed metal with a heavy dose of hardcore punk, and quite possibly even more primitive than most of those other bands. The six songs on this album that run less than two minutes kind of give the hardcore connection away without you even having to listen to it. The band itself isn't really the draw here. They do their job keeping up the intensity, and actually kick some serious ass given half a chance but it's the vocals that make you cock your head and go, "Huh?" Katon W. de Pena has one of the most unique voices in metal. It's like...uh...sorta...I don't know. You just have to hear him. He's high pitched, but nothing like a power metal vocalist. In another life he actually might have been able to front a more raw version of Mercyful Fate if that helps any, yet he sings with this odd sort of cadence that adds a percussive element to his approach which goes well with the punk metal on display. He's definitely gonna be a love/hate thing for a lot of people, but if you dig him then you're probably gonna love Hirax.

And I don't care if it's racist, but when you find out this is the guy who's singing then you can't help but go, "Dude, that's pretty cool."




Side Note: The intro to "Demons Evil Forces" is one of the best things ever. From the goofy demon telling you that you're going to hell, to the voice of "God"---who sounds like he's played by some guy called Jeff from down the street---imploring you to believe in him it's unintentional (I think) comic gold.





The Batlord 12-16-2013 09:18 AM

Jag Panzer: Ample Destruction - 1984


http://www.voicesfromthedarkside.de/...ges/8486_0.jpg


In some ways Jag Panzer is an odd choice. They don't show a lack of songwriting abilities, they're not ugly or ****ty sounding, and they don't show a combined IQ level that may or may not reach into the triple digits. But don't let that fool you. This band is from one of my favorite time periods in metal: the early-mid eighties, when the metal underground was just starting and hadn't yet been subsumed by thrash metal. There weren't quite as many bands strapping on their Flying V's, but the ones that did generally had more originality than the ones that would follow a few years later. Subsequently a band like Jag Panzer isn't all that easy to categorize. They lie somewhere in the hinterlands between heavy metal, thrash metal, and power metal, all the while sounding only like themselves. Combine Iron Maiden with Metallica's first album and you're in the ballpark.

But the real reason I love this time period is that all the stereotypes of cheesy metal hadn't yet been set, or at least they hadn't been raised to the level that bands were self conscious about it. Whether it was Grim Reaper, Anvil, or Venom, bands were pushing the boundaries of good taste and intelligence like it was their job. Which it was. Jag Panzer weren't anywhere near as cringe-inducing as some of these numbskulls, but their lyrics generally consisted of wearing leather, kicking asses with the subsequent taking of names, and generally raising hell. And even though his voice isn't all that different than your average power metal singer, Harry "The Tyrant" Conklin's singing pretty much dates this band to within a year or two of when this album was released. He's just so...eighties. Love him.





Unknown Soldier 12-16-2013 09:38 AM

There's a lot of great stuff here with Exciter and Repulsion especially with that album cover but especially love that Jag Panzer album. Some of this stuff I'll include in my journal and there's some stuff being featured here that I'm not that familiar with as well, which needs to be checked out.

The Batlord 12-16-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1395867)
There's a lot of great stuff here with Exciter and Repulsion especially with that album cover but especially love that Jag Panzer album. Some of this stuff I'll include in my journal and there's some stuff being featured here that I'm not that familiar with as well, which needs to be checked out.

I've loved Panzer for over a decade. That album was one of those that I discovered in high school when pretty much all I did was sit at home in front of my computer with my ****ty dial-up connection and just download albums, song by song. Good times. First time I ever heard "Licensed to Kill" I sort of lost my ****.

Although I'm still not sure whether the "J" in Jag Panzer is pronounced like a "Y" like it should be in actual German. You never can tell with these dunderheaded metal types.

The Batlord 12-17-2013 09:48 AM

Mayhem: Deathcrush EP - 1987





I've never been a particularly big Mayhem fan, but I got's some love for Deathcrush. I mean don't get me wrong, if it's possible for musical quality to be objective then this album sucks, but it sucks so good. At this point Mayhem were still basically a death metal band, but they manage to not quite sound like any other DM band, not so much because they were innovative, but because they just didn't really seem to know what they were doing. Sorta like Sepultura's first album. I mean I love me some sloppy death metal, but good lord this is just trash. Thankfully that just makes me like it all the more.

First thing that jumps out is their "singer" Maniac. Dude has a unique wailing screech that I'm sure either grates on your nerves or sounds kvlt as **** depending on whether or not you floss your teeth with your boyfriend's pubes. I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. All I know is he rules. I actually need to check out their Grand Declaration of War and Chimera albums since they also feature him. Although on "Pure Fucking Armageddon" and the cover of Venom's "Witching Hour" they opt to let some guy called Messiah do the vocal duties. He does his job admirably but isn't nearly as notable as Maniac.

The next thing you'd notice might be the ****ty production. They seemed to have been going for a Bathory sound, but couldn't quite nail the atmospheric quality. But in reaching for the stars they still landed on the moon, cause it's bleak and gloriously filthy sounding.

Musically, like I said, this is simplistic, old school eighties death metal. But unlike a lot of bands that tried to race each other to the finish line Mayhem, either because of a different approach or because they couldn't play any faster, often opted for a more mid-paced, heavy-riffing approach. They nail it pretty well too with some truly badass riffs that sound like a chainsaw due to the production. What more could a goon like me ask for?

Edit: Last night I almost punched myself in the face for not getting the Celtic Frost influence with the mid-paced riffs.







Screen13 12-17-2013 12:28 PM

Stopping by to say that I'm enjoying this thread. Some time ago at a record store I stop by sometimes there was a LOT of music like this but priced a little too high for me meager funds - which is to say that it was seriously collectable for them if it was pressed in The UK or Europe. Maybe the prices will go down or newer arrivals will not be as expensive...one of the great things is actually having that vinyl!

Anyways, this is taking me back to a very brief period in my time hearing some of this music thanks to a friend who knew that someday that Metal and Punk would mix very well - at their best, both have that attitude that seriously wins me over. I was very open minded (maybe still!) and wanted to hear what was going on through my late Teen Years so that I can take me experience with me in my memories forever. Sadly, there were not many where I lived that got into the Metal underground so that left me in the cold with a couple of copies of Sounds (THE best of the weeklies, end comparison!) and without people to crank up the stereo with as there was still that divide.

Raw, maniac music!

Unknown Soldier 12-17-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1395875)
Although I'm still not sure whether the "J" in Jag Panzer is pronounced like a "Y" like it should be in actual German. You never can tell with these dunderheaded metal types.

**** I've been thinking about this today and I'd go with "J" here.

Engine 12-17-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1395875)
I've loved Panzer for over a decade. That album was one of those that I discovered in high school when pretty much all I did was sit at home in front of my computer with my ****ty dial-up connection and just download albums, song by song. Good times. First time I ever heard "Licensed to Kill" I sort of lost my ****.

Although I'm still not sure whether the "J" in Jag Panzer is pronounced like a "Y" like it should be in actual German. You never can tell with these dunderheaded metal types.

They pronounce the J. They're just a bunch of guys from Colorado. An old friend of mine used to play in a side band with the singer. It was pretty funny - in the 90s, the guy (JP singer) lived with his mother, had a job in a bakery or something, and didn't own a car, but was a huge rock star when they toured in Europe.

The Batlord 12-18-2013 10:05 AM

Anthrax: Fistful of Metal - 1984





I've heard Anthrax called "the thinking man's thrash metal band" (I guess it's all relative), but on this album...not so much. At this point they were the kind of speed metal band you could hear all across the USA in the aftermath of the NWOBHM with songs such as "Soldiers of Metal", "Deathrider", and "Metal Thrashing Mad". Post-graduate quality **** in other words. This isn't amazingly original, but for the time period it was perfectly in step with what was going on, so if this is the kinda thing that interests you, and it should be, then this is a great album to get into. As far as I'm concerned "Death from Above" is worth the price of admission all by itself.

Also, they also hadn't gotten Joey Belladona into the band yet and had a gloriously cheesy singer in Neil Turbin, who is one of those guys who could only ever have sung like that in the early eighties. **** the **** yeah.










The Batlord 12-18-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13 (Post 1396217)
Stopping by to say that I'm enjoying this thread. Some time ago at a record store I stop by sometimes there was a LOT of music like this but priced a little too high for me meager funds - which is to say that it was seriously collectable for them if it was pressed in The UK or Europe. Maybe the prices will go down or newer arrivals will not be as expensive...one of the great things is actually having that vinyl!

Anyways, this is taking me back to a very brief period in my time hearing some of this music thanks to a friend who knew that someday that Metal and Punk would mix very well - at their best, both have that attitude that seriously wins me over. I was very open minded (maybe still!) and wanted to hear what was going on through my late Teen Years so that I can take me experience with me in my memories forever. Sadly, there were not many where I lived that got into the Metal underground so that left me in the cold with a couple of copies of Sounds (THE best of the weeklies, end comparison!) and without people to crank up the stereo with as there was still that divide.

Raw, maniac music!


I'm honored that you even read my thread as I'd figured you for someone with far too much taste to like this crap. I guess badass is universal.


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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1396284)
They pronounce the J. They're just a bunch of guys from Colorado. An old friend of mine used to play in a side band with the singer. It was pretty funny - in the 90s, the guy (JP singer) lived with his mother, had a job in a bakery or something, and didn't own a car, but was a huge rock star when they toured in Europe.


I figured they pronounced it wrong. And I'm not surprised that that guy was a bum. Whether it's just the type of person who gets into that line of "work" or it's just what happens when you spend your twenties not gaining any kind of useful job skills or a real employment record it seems like a sort of dirty secret that people in "underground" music don't really end well after they get out of the biz. I get the feeling that Exodus reformed just because Gary Holt needed to do something to get himself off of meth.

The Batlord 12-18-2013 11:13 AM

Metallica: No Life 'Till Leather demo - 1982


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Everyone on this site has heard Kill 'Em All about a million times so there's no point in mentioning it, though as far as I'm concerned it's certainly appropriate. But demos, even ones from such a band as Metallica, generally go unnoticed enough that I can slip one in. And especially this one. Obviously since I wasn't there I can't really know, but according to my research (Magic School Bus reference FTW!) this demo seems to have had almost as big an influence on the burgeoning thrash metal movement as their actual debut due to the tape trading underground. So, demo or not, this is a milestone.

This has pretty much most of the songs from the debut, so it's not like it's necessarily required listening for anyone who isn't a Metallica completionist, but it's got a couple differences that bear mentioning. First of all, on Kill 'Em All James Hetfield's voice is a feral bark, but on this he'd apparently not settled on that style yet. In fact at times it almost sounds like he's auditioning to be in Cheap Trick. Not necessarily a good thing, but it adds a certain charm, and the music is as it should be so it's a minor complaint.

And secondly, this is the only Metallica recording (checks the Metal Archives to be sure), yes, the only one to feature Dave Mustaine, and as such they hadn't yet had to rewrite "The Mechanix" into "Four Horsemen". As far as I'm concerned getting to hear Metallica play the original is worth listening to this all by itself...even if James sounds like Robin Zander. Although a hilarious thought occurred to me just now. Motley Crue had a heavy Cheap Trick influence, and Vince Neil (who started out in a Cheap Trick cover band) was definitely himself channeling Robin Zander on their first album, and supposedly James was a big Motley fan back when they'd just started out playing the Sunset Strip...so...I think Metallica's vocals may have been based on Vince Neil back in the early days. Oh god I want to meet James Hetfield and ask him about that just to be a dick.







The Batlord 12-19-2013 09:32 AM


(First of all, it was almost impossible to find a 300x300 version of the original orange artwork that doesn't look like ass, and secondly, since Sarcofago has "fag" in the middle, which is normally censored on this site, most links to a pic from them are unusable. So, **** all of that ****.)


I've only recently become familiar with Sarcofago but this album has already become one of my new favorite metal albums. If you've ever heard De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas then you have a good idea of what this sounds like, cause Euronymous was obviously wearing his copy out when he wrote that album. This album is composed of only the filthiest and most simplistic of thrash, early black and death metal, and hardcore. It's sloppy and unnuanced and ****ty sounding and is probably one of the most intense albums of the eighties. Seriously, until De Mysteriis I don't know if there was a band that used and abused the blast beat quite so flagrantly as Sarcofago. From the retched vocals to the abysmal production to the awful musicianship to the aforementioned drumming this is an ugly, ugly thing with no redeeming value for Trollheart. Even the lyrics are notably amateurish since the band are from Brazil and obviously don't really speak English...


Quote:

On fire of darkness
Rise a scream of hate
Satanas want vomit
On Jesus Christ's face


Pure poetry. I know Sepultura is the Brazilian band that gets all the love, but this album shits on anything they've ever done. It just takes a hot, steaming dump all over Beneath the Remains and Chaos A.D. I mean they end the album with carnival music followed by the sound of some guy taking a nasty crap and then flushing the toilet. I think that says it all right there.

Edit: And how could I leave this without mentioning "Deathrash". No song could better illustrate just how much these guys do not get English. Any native speaker would never use this song title, because while the band obviously meant it to sound like "Death Thrash" we all hear "Death Rash". And that's pretty fantastic.








Oxy 12-19-2013 10:04 AM

Batlord?

Do you know any othe 'bands' that only knoe 4 chords?

Even Status Quo use 5 sometimes.

Your music taste. Oh dear.

The Batlord 12-19-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Oxy (Post 1396705)
Batlord?

Do you know any othe 'bands' that only knoe 4 chords?

Even Status Quo use 5 sometimes.

Your music taste. Oh dear.

English. Learn it. Use it. Be it.

Oxy 12-19-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1396707)
English. Learn it. Use it. Be it.

Or in your case, tatto it on your wrist, like your shopping list perhaps?

I wouldn't knoe.

The Batlord 12-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Oxy (Post 1396709)
Or in your case, tatto it on your wrist, like your shopping list perhaps?

I wouldn't knoe.

:laughing:

Am I being trolled because I mocked your taste in women? I think I'm gonna have to go bitch about this on Facebook.

Anteater 12-19-2013 10:49 AM

Good call on Sarcófago: I'm a big fan of Rotting, but those clips make me want their earlier stuff now too. Keep the scuzz comin' cuzz!

Screen13 12-19-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1396479)
I'm honored that you even read my thread as I'd figured you for someone with far too much taste to like this crap. I guess badass is universal.

Thanks! Sometimes I have to get into this music - it keeps a serious balance in my music listening. Badass is universal, and the best of this music sometimes gives the listener a little extra attitude that can be a positive thing.


Plus, it goes well with my interest in Horror Films.

I try to keep an open ear.

Engine 12-20-2013 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1396488)
Metallica: No Life 'Till Leather demo - 1982


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Very nice. I have never actually listened to that.

Probably my favorite metal band that I discovered on MB.


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