Led Zeppelin - Jimmy Page Kidnapping A Child
 

I have to say I've been a Led Zeppelin fan from afar but I came across something I thought was urban myth the other day but turns out it was true.

Jimmy Page kidnapped a 14 year old girl from a club using his roadie. Now years later she seems unperturbed by it but has that changed anybody's opinion of Page?

Had this happened now wouldn't the world world be screaming for him to go to jail and I wonder what die hard Zeppelin fans make of it.

I know I'm late with this story but only just discovered the rock I lived under got swept away in the floods

Not sure when the public found out about this, but apparently he kept it under wraps, as anyone with the funds to do so, and a reputation to keep, would. I think it's a rotten thing to do, and he should go to prison for it, but no it really doesn't change my opinion of him, even though this is the first time I've heard about it. He's just a great guitarist to me, I don't know what I could possibly think differently of someone who I don't know or really care about.

I look at celebrities as if they're just people I don't know. I don't pretend to know them, I don't assume they're perfect or hold them to a higher standard or any of that bull****. They're just people, and some of them, just like with the rest of us, are total pieces of ****.

It gave Jimmy's fangirls a little bit of hope. ;)

Doesn't change my opinion on him in the least. May be a crummy thing to do, however, I will continue to listen to Page's work with the same level of respect as before.

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It was a different era in the late Sixties and early Seventies and nearly every rock band had 14 and 15 year old groupies. This all happened before the era when everyone was universally concerned about child abuse. Back then, age of consent was often 15 years old in a few states. In a couple of Southern states, the age of consent for marriage was 12 back in the late Sixties. It's shocking but it's true.

I'm not advocating the seduction of 14 year old girls but it was a common practice in the wild and wooly days of rock and roll. Chuck Berry was busted for violating the Mann Act a federal law which forbade taking a 16 year old minor for the purpose of debauchery or prostitution. Other celebrities indicted for Mann Act violations were movie star Charlie Chaplin, architect Frank Lloyd Wright, and heavyweight boxer Jack Johnson.

Specifically on the Jimmy Page case according to Rolling Stone magazine: Lori Maddox was a part of the Los Angeles groupie scene beginning in the early 1970s. According to Maddox, Page became infatuated with her and had a roadie bring Maddox up to his suite at the L.A. Hyatt House. " He was wearing this hat over his eyes and holding a cane," she remembered. "He looked just like a gangster. It was magnificent." The pair went on to have a torrid affair over the next few years.

There was no kidnapping involved and Lori Maddox was a willing sexual partner, but Page may have violated California laws on statutory rape because the age of consent in California (at that time) was 16 years of age. Today the age of consent is 18 years old in California.

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Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox

"I got a little school girl and she's all mine"

Oh Jimmy. Oh ma' Jimmeh. :C

I think kidnap is a bit harsh. Okay I'm a 14 year old girl who is asked to join a rock God for whatever happens............IT's not like they threw a potato sack over her head and threw her in the trunk of his car. They probably reserved that for the 18 year old girls...

She was a well known Groupie in LA at the time. Lori Lightning was her nickname and she'd already been with David Bowie and others prior to her dalliance with Page.

"Child" might not be the right word. Neither might be kidnapping.
I find it pretty pathetic to have to rely on a big difference in experience and intelligence to get someone into bed, not matter what the age is.
I mean if a lady is of legal age it somehow isn't frowned upon at all, altough she might be just as stupid and naive as a child. It's still really crummy in my opinion.
Generally I don't care about a musician's private life. He can be a mass-murdering nazi pedophile, if the music is good, then I listen to it, although I might not want to pay for it and finance his lifestyle.

Jimmy was a notorious chicken hawk and, like the man said, it was a different time. Bill Wyman 'cultivated' his 14 year old girlfriend until she was old enough to marry.

Doesn't excuse it but if you started excluding every artist from your life that had what society deems as F-d up proclivities, you would have to exclude a lot of artists. It's an age-old debate - can you separate the person from their work? In some cases, I can, but in others, no. In the case of Jimmy and Bill, I wouldn't expect them to be anything but decadent rock stars.

Lori Maddox discussion
 

Not to throw the race card into things, but in the US it is a relevant matter. I do not have knowledge of Ms. Maddox's racial background, but could it be that being of mixed race or even being someone with a darker complexion the entire matter was just swept under the rug? Led Zep was an enormously successful band, didn't rock the boat at all politically and made money and made merry. There was no reason to seek him out. Had Ms. Maddox been the blonde-haired daughter of someone powerful Pagey might have written some moving songs from inside Folsom prison. I've read various accounts, from her being not only kidnapped but forcibly held for years, against her will. Peter Cole, Zep's old tour manager, is accused of procurring her on behalf of Page, thus protecting him from legal issues. Only the two of them know for certain what really happened. At any rate, something did happen, and there was no consequence for JP, although now the Net is abuzz with questions.

^^^^

This is a very ill-informed account. How about we hear from Lori Maddox herself?

Jimmy kidnaps girls, John lennon is a wife beater and Cher is a Racist.

Is it true? who cares? it makes for a good story. ;)

i gotta say, i never got this lolita fascination some guys have
They're such easy targets and are so impressionable i feel they're taking advantage of them.

i see this sh*t in real life, there is a school nearby where i live and outside of the school i always spot guys in their mid 20's parking their cool cars in front and groups of girls flocking to them cause they are Oh-so-cool~

I've even seen them flaunt the girls with a proud looks that says "She's hot isn't she?"

yea but she's 14 and you're 26, you're old enough to be her big brother you sick F*ck.

Maybe im being overly critical but that's really not my thing, i prefer Milfs over lolis

Like Pamela says in the video I posted, it was just the new thing at the time. Those rock stars had been touring and sampling the older teen groupies for years already. And then in 1973 this magazine came out of nowhere as a basic advertisement for really young girls that wanted to hook up with musicians. This is the magazine that Maddox is talking about modeling in. You can see her picture above the article below.

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Yea i saw the vid (Good one btw) And if you notice around 0:59 Lori was about to say "First of all, i was still a Virgin" but instead of saying 'Virgin' she says 'Baby' and the way she says it reflects she acknowledges she was very naive at that age.

And even if that was the new in thing to do at the time i don't think that's a valid excuse for justifying picking up under aged girls from a magazine like it's some lolita catalogue but just cause he is jimmy page he can get away with it.

This personally bothers me however im not gonna blow it out of proportion cause in some cases the guy really falls in love with the girl and could even end up marrying her with neither party regretting their decision later on life but when guys use these young girls just for sex and take advantage of how impressionable they are that really bothers me.

Yeah, I don't know the cultural climate of the '70s and how pedophilia and pederasty was viewed, so I can't really make the same accusation toward him or Steven Tyler that I could about someone in this day and age, but someone that young and immature is clearly not capable of living as a functioning adult, as I imagine they would have to to live that kind of lifestyle. I have to imagine that Jimmy would basically have had to act like her father---keeping her fed, making sure of her travel plans, dealing with normal teenage "stuff" that a parent would otherwise be responsible for. I'm sure he had handlers for much of that, but he couldn't have been ignorant of the kind of girl he was dealing with, and to be able to have that kind of relationship with a girl like that, and a sexual one at the same time, is predatory, even if he wasn't aware of it. Given how prevalent this kind of thing seemed to be, I'm going to chalk it up to rock star super-ego warping his sense of reality rather than necessarily being manipulative to the point of being a sociopath, but still, that's not okay in any way, shape, or form.

Hey, don't get me wrong, if she had been my daughter at the time I would have wanted to gut the guy.

Jimmy actually asked to meet Lori's mom and got her permission for Lori to travel with the band. Still doesn't make it right.

She sure liked the lifestyle at the time.

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But she admits the only rocker she ever fell in love with was Pagey.

Honestly, his girlfriend at the time bothers me more than he does. At least he has the excuse of being a rock star living in La La Land, which seems to mess with the common sense of all but the most grounded individuals. But given that she seemed to be in much the same situation as the girl, I'd think that she'd have a clearer picture of what was what and should have intervened. I don't know if she just accepted it and internalized the rock star logic cause she wanted to keep up her lifestyle, or she was (is) a dumb party girl completely out of touch with reality by nature. Clearly from that last pic---if that's the same girlfriend from the vid, and she does look like her---she not only accepted the arrangement, but "joined in the fun" too.

She really wasn't his girlfriend. She was his California hookup for sure. She was originally a member of Zappa's GTOs and lived a pretty incredible young life.

This is a pretty great read if you want to step into the way back machine and get a feel for what SoCal was like during the late 60s, early 70s.

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And she's remained friends with the guys to this day.

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Who wouldn't? From her side she's getting a free ride just for being an underaged pretty girl but that kinda choice has consequences, consequences these girls find out the hard way.

Like Batlord mentioned earlier, i don't think these young girls quite know what they're getting into at that age and partying with a Rockstar i imagine is way more intense than just partying with your friends at a club cause Rockstars have access to everything.

But that comes at a price.
That price is sex, it always is. that's why i think she almost said 'Virgin' instead of 'Baby' in that vid cause these kinda girls quickly find out that "free ride" they were getting from an older male wasn't free at all and if they don't put out, the free ride stops there.

Also that kinda lifestyle while glorified is mostly good times that end up hitting rock bottom

Same could be said for quite a few of the rock stars.

Both Laurie and Pamela came out of it ok fortunately for them. The Zep tune For Your Life is about the girls who didn't end up growing up and moving on, and instead got swallowed up by the LA scene.

FOR YOUR LIFE

You said I was the only, With my lemon in your hand
Exhibition is your habit, Emotion second hand.
Had to pull away to save me, Maybe next time around
And she said, 'don't you want it?
Don't you want cocaine-cocaine-cocaine
Hadn't planned to, could not stand to try it, fry it, na na na yeah.

Heard a cry for mercy, In the city of the damned
Oh oh babe, damned. Down in the pits you go no lower
The next stop's underground. Oh, hello underground.
Wine and roses ain't quite over, fate deals a losing hand
And I said: didn't mean to... did not mean to fail
You didn't plan it, you over-ran it

I try not to think about the personal lives of the musicians I listen to. Their music should be able to stand or fall on its own merits.