It's not "grunge" in the sense of the word. However though, it is still a sub-genre of it so I feel that it still qualifies if someone decided to include it here.

Bush walked the line between grunge and alternative and they did it really well but because of that they're not really the most iconic grunge band one can think of. When i think of grunge the first bands i think of are Mudhoney and The Melvins.

Post-grunge may take elements from it, but the construction and lyrical/vocal stylistics steer much closer to alternative.

Post-Grunge to me is more just a style of alternative rock that was branded as such after the death of Kurt Cobain to fill the gap. Bush and Silverchair both had elements of grunge, but kinda took a way the punk influences, in favor of a more stadium rock alternative sound.

That's all true.

Bush is pegged as this trend hopping, genre hopping band to stay current. So they pretty much had no originality to call theirs, so to speak, or at least that is what some say that never liked the band in the first place. At their core however. Bush was very much a grunge band, just not your traditional flavor, and it wasn't a bad thing how they approached that genre of music either.

But a lot of people don't like that. A lot of people don't take Bush seriously. I get it. It's all fine.

I don't know if I am agreeing, or disagreeing with you about this. I listen to the lyrics in a Bush song, and in comparison to say Nirvana, the difference isn't all that much. Blah blah, Kurt wrote better music than Gavin Rossdale, so we can skip that part of this discussion.

There was no single band during that period of music that wrote the same kind of lyrics. Layne was abstract, dark, emotive, observant in his lyrical approach. Kurt was more direct, abrasive, but he still wrote in his own way. Chris Cornell is the same. None of those three wrote alike. So why say that post-grunge was less grunge because of they way the lyrics were wrote and the vocals sounded? Because there was plenty of variety or difference in grunge generally speaking to set bands apart from one another. There was not one general path a grunge band took when they wrote their lyrics, vocals. You knew it was grunge by how it sounded as a complete package. If the writers in the bands all wrote the same. I would have gotten bored.

So I guess I am disagreeing with you.

Probably.

But I know the Bush records by heart, and I hear enough punk in all of them, save for the newer two records just put out with the past five years. I never listened to too much Silverchair so I can't say anything there.

Mad Season was a gem

But the genre, including the lyrics, had a lot of the same emotional, deep/dark/angsty context. The genre was partially built on angst. Plus, keep in mind Soundgarden and AiC are also alternative metal. They needed to appeal to the mainstream. 1991 was the year of grunge. Nevermind made it through SLTS and Vig's sleak, polished production, and AiC and Soundgarden made it through their metal, and Pearl Jam had a lot of alternative rock in their grunge. Staley wrote about his anger, which was sad and emotional. Kurt wrote about his problems abrasively, and Soundgarden wrote anything with a lot of angst. Pearl Jam was more associated with alternative rock, so they could get away with the sound instead of the lyrics.

Also, BastardofYoung's description was really good.

Saw the thread title and got excited for a second that there was going to be new grunge being posted.

Layne's the GOAT. Sang from the soul, with live performances that sounded just as good as the album versions. He could hit the high notes without cracking. Chris Cornell is great too. I hear a lot of people talk about his range, and his voice is very distinctive, but I don't hear a GOAT range in it. Maybe I'm missing something.

- Bush: post-grunge
- Silverchair: grunge

Yes.

Sometimes I wonder about what could have been if Layne hadn't died. I think Alice In Chains would be mega super stars by this point. The guy they have now, William I think is his name. He does a good job, and their two new albums they have done with him I liked...but those albums both lacked that power and impact that Layne gave Alice In Chains in the early days. William just can't offer that to the fans, but it's clear that he really tries and wants to.

Chris Cornell is one of a kind. But some do hate how his voice sounds though. I think that I sort of understand why that is, because even though I consider him one of the best from that period of music, his voice does get tiring for me as well. King Animal, that was a pretty nice return album from Soundgarden.

I'm beating a dead horse here. But you bring up Bush again. Post-Grunge, Grunge, whatever. Bush walked more than just one line, and that is partly why they were both successful, but overlooked too. I adore the bands music. But even I can admit that they never did put out an album that would stand out as a definitive album for grunge music. They had one or more big albums, and then maybe one or two more moderately successful releases as well, but never anything that would give them any sort of recognition as one of the hugely influential grunge bands like Pearl Jam or Soundgarden were or are still. I want the original Bush lineup though. Give me that lineup from Sixteen Stone. I'm missing that Nigel Pulsford magic with his guitar.

Silverchari? Meh. I honestly never paid a lot of attention to them. I heard some good songs, and usually that prompts me to check out a bands discography...I guess that with Silverchair I've just been lazy to do that, and I may never be bothered, fairly sure I wouldn't be missing out on much.

I like Chris Cornell a lot and he is a very talented singer. Not so good live in my opinion. I guess they said Layne wasn't as good live in his later years, either, due to all the drugs.

On Bush, I do like them. Sixteen Stone has some great songs that are an integral part of the mid-'90s. But by the time The Science of Things rolled around, it was Bush overload on the radio IMO. If I had to hear "The Chemicals Between Us" one more time...maybe it's not so bad now, but it was getting overplayed at the time, which was nauseating. I was excited when Sea of Memories was announced, but I gave that album a spin, and it's not very good at all.

By Silverchair being grunge, I'm mainly thinking of Frogstomp and maybe a few songs off Neon Ballroom, the latter of which I've not spun in a long time. In going back and listening to Frogstomp, I had forgotten how heavy their earlier sound was. They changed their sound drastically later on as they went "weak sauce" with things, so you wouldn't be missing anything in not looking into it.