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ssettimo 08-09-2014 10:57 PM

Is Grunge dead?
 
Okay, so I'm wrote a research paper on the Seattle Sound movement and it's lasting impacts. I will be turning this paper into about 30 pages.
Anyway, I'm just curious if you think Grunge is dead.

Mantis 08-10-2014 12:41 PM

I thnk grunge means something rather different to 2014 than it did to 1994 but I'd say it's still alive and well, albeit in a heavy evolved form.

The Batlord 08-10-2014 01:08 PM

If you mean the grunge movement that was all over the radio back in the early nineties, then it's dead. Dead dead. Don't even waste a clean fork. All that exists now are ****ty post-post grunge bands that probably have more in common with alt metal or arena rock and just so happen to kind sorta maybe sound a tad like Pearl Jam.

If you mean the grunge movement then it's even more dead. Grunge was basically just slow-to-mid-paced hardcore. Nirvana was one of, if not the only band that was actually grunge when grunge was popular. Alice In Chains was a metal band that just so happened to be from Seattle. Pearl Jam was a classic rock band that just so happened to have two guys who used to be in a grunge band (Green River, not Mother Love Bone, who was also not a grunge band). Soundgarden was grunge sure, but they were just as much a metal band with a Led Zeppelin fetish. And any band that were called grunge but were really just a Pearl Jam rip off (Stone Temple Pilots, Candlebox, etc) were really just classic rock bands that didn't have a clue. There were a few other actual grunge bands, like the Melvins, Mudhoney, or Tad, but in general they went unnoticed.

Janszoon 08-10-2014 03:26 PM

Dead. So dead it's long past the point of even smelling bad anymore.

The Batlord 08-10-2014 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1477390)
Dead. So dead it's long past the point of even smelling bad anymore.

Nah, Pearl Jam still stinks.

Vitne Eveille 08-10-2014 07:26 PM

There's bound to be some grunge bands out there. MTV & major labels don't dictate the music industry anymore, so anything is possible. Niche genres can gain quite a following.

TheBig3 08-10-2014 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1477391)
Nah, Pearl Jam still stinks.

:clap: nicely done!

Necromancer 08-10-2014 07:46 PM

Of course modern grunge still exist under the label of post grunge just like blues rock and psychedelic rock, and so on still exist in the modern era. You only have to surf youtube in order to find the music and bands. But it is nowhere as popular as it was during the early to mid nineties.

Suggesting that the core grunge bands Alice in Chains and Stone Temple Pilots were not grunge is preposterous. All of the top Seattle grunge bands basically used the same style of depressive, etc. lyrics with their music.
I will say that the Stone Temple Pilots evolved into a more pop/rock mainstream sound and style with their music later on during the mid to late 90s.

I'm not going to tell you that all of these bands only fit under the grunge label and not the heavy metal genre, It doesn't really matter which way you go with it, it's still core grunge in the end.

The Batlord 08-10-2014 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer (Post 1477420)
Of course modern grunge still exist under the label of post grunge just like blues rock and psychedelic rock, and so on still exist in the modern era. You only have to surf youtube in order to find the music and bands. But it is nowhere as popular as it was during the early to mid nineties.

Suggesting that the core grunge bands Alice in Chains and Stone Temple Pilots were not grunge is preposterous. All of the top Seattle grunge bands basically used the same style of depressive, etc. lyrics with their music.
I will say that the Stone Temple Pilots evolved into a more pop/rock mainstream sound and style with their music later on during the mid to late 90s.

I'm not going to tell you that all of these bands only fit under the grunge label and not the heavy metal genre, It doesn't really matter which way you go with it, it's still core grunge in the end.

It is not preposterous because they are not grunge bands. Stone Temple Pilots were a Pearl Jam rip off band. Pearl Jam was explicitly not a grunge band. Half the band quit an actual grunge band because they did not want to play grunge. They wanted to indulge their love of classic rock and so they formed Mother Love Bone, and the rest is history. Ergo, any band who takes their sound from Pearl Jam, such as Stone Temple Pilots, is not a grunge band.

And Alice In Chains may have been influenced by actual grunge, but they were a metal band. They started out playing metal covers. They played their first tour with Slayer, Anthrax, and Megadeth. Their name was originally supposed to be a name for a hair band for god's sake. If you're going to call them a grunge band then you may as well call Danzig one too. AIC is closer to them than they ever were to Nirvana.

Just because bands happen to be associated with a genre that was packaged by record labels and MTV does not mean that they were actually of that genre. The grunge sound that was sold to the masses was for the most part not grunge. Period.

Neapolitan 08-10-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1477390)
Dead. So dead it's long past the point of even smelling bad anymore.

:(Grunge is so dead.

:confused:How dead is it?

:(... you can only buy used Grunge records in a cemetery. http://forums.macresource.com/file.p...ame=zombie.gif

Necromancer 08-10-2014 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1477435)
It is not preposterous because they are not grunge bands. Stone Temple Pilots were a Pearl Jam rip off band. Pearl Jam was explicitly not a grunge band. Half the band quit an actual grunge band because they did not want to play grunge. They wanted to indulge their love of classic rock and so they formed Mother Love Bone, and the rest is history. Ergo, any band who takes their sound from Pearl Jam, such as Stone Temple Pilots, is not a grunge band.

And Alice In Chains may have been influenced by actual grunge, but they were a metal band. They started out playing metal covers. They played their first tour with Slayer, Anthrax, and Megadeth. Their name was originally supposed to be a name for a hair band for god's sake. If you're going to call them a grunge band then you may as well call Danzig one too. AIC is closer to them than they ever were to Nirvana.

Just because bands happen to be associated with a genre that was packaged by record labels and MTV does not mean thsat they were actually of that genre. The grunge sound that was sold to the masses was for the most part not grunge. Period.

I might go as far in agreement that Alice in Chains were the missing link between grunge and metal in the nineties. and their album Dirt is included in a lot of top metal albums of the 90s. but other than that I stick to my original statement.

Bands that I consider metal during the 90s era were bands like Pantera, Megadeth and Metallica for example.I liked Skid Rows 91 release of Slave To The Grind OK.

Janszoon 08-11-2014 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1477391)
Nah, Pearl Jam still stinks.

Hush, you're disrupting my metaphor.

drummerboy95 08-13-2014 03:06 PM

I don't think grunge is dead, in fact i've noticed a bit of a revival of early 90's rock music.

neardeathexperience 08-13-2014 08:44 PM

Yes it was packed away in Curt Cobain's coffin never to see the light of day again........

Necromancer 08-13-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by neardeathexperience (Post 1478649)
Yes it was packed away in Curt Cobain's coffin never to see the light of day again........

That is so... True.

CoNtrivedNiHilism 08-13-2014 11:09 PM

I loved the grunge movement, era, whatever way people like to describe that time. Some great bands; Bush, back in the 90's weren't as commercial in sound as apposed to today. Gavin Rossdale remains my favorite singer from any grunge band. Hate me for it or pick on me for it. I think he's awesome.

I don't see a lot of grunge influenced bands or bands nowadays that are strictly that genuine grunge sound. Bands come and go that imitate it. Dead would be the wrong way to describe it. It's just not thriving. Truthfully I think the industry could benefit from a grunge overhaul. Some good writing back in the day it was popular.

Necromancer 08-14-2014 12:25 AM

Puddle of Mudd is a past artist that has always resembled the sound and style of Nirvana/Kurt Cobain. But the most enduring post grunge band that I think most resembles their sound is Seether.

Australias Silverchair always seemed like a good candidate for grunge that reminded me of Nirvana's sound.

I agree with the above that grunge produced a unique and different style of lyrics/writing during the 90s.

CoNtrivedNiHilism 08-14-2014 12:46 AM

Puddle of Mudd and their singer never were anything great in my opinion. I mean, I'm sure the guys in the band could do something else if they wanted, I may like it depending on the approach taken but, nothing really that original or great about Puddle of Mudd. I'd say that their singer Wes pinned lyrics that often would reflect that of a nu-metal song writing style with that nuanced grunge influence. I can't write off the band completely. Because they have their moments of decent music. That's as good as they get for me...

Wes lip synced at a more recent show the band played. He got pissed off at the crowd when they called him out. A bit of an unprofessional and childish move on his part. I don't see lip syncing as something anyone should do. If you can't do it live. Don't do it at all.

Anyway. Yeah. Grunge had some good song writers. Personally I thought Gavin Rossdale of Bush had a rather nice way of pinning lyrics. He wasn't always real great. But there are songs that really impress me, a good number of them. Bush is just great in my own mind. Yeah. Another forum member here stated that they are a commercial label band, I think it was The Batlord that said it. And you know, I cannot say he was wrong by saying it either. Back in the 90's however. Bush was more their own thing, still grunge, but also still more or less their own thing with their own list of influences. Nowadays. Gavin Rossdale is pinning a more commercial stylized lyric/and or Bush sound in general. The Sea Of Memories had some real good tracks with a nuanced influence of the bands glory days. But it wasn't a solid album all through either.

Silverchair is alright in my book. But I don't own any of their music. Don't really listen all that often either.

Necromancer 08-14-2014 06:48 AM

I liked Bush earlier in their career up to Prizefighter. Little Things and Everything Zen are classics. I kinda lost interest after the single Prizefighter though.

The Batlord 08-14-2014 06:56 AM

Not gonna lie. They weren't brilliant or anything, but I dig the singles they have on the radio. Competent Nirvana thievery.

Necromancer 08-14-2014 07:02 AM

I forgot to mention Come Down is a favorite by Bush off of Sixteen Stones I believe.


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