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Trollheart 02-12-2015 05:22 AM

Iron Maiden: Bruce vs Paul
 
I don't usually do these things, but there's been a lot of talk about Maiden recently, much of it slanted against the current vocalist, so let's see how people feel. Who do you prefer, and why?

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-12-2015 05:36 AM

I always find this a really difficult question to answer.
Even though personally I prefer the Di Anno era they let him leave at the right time and they never would have been the band they became had Dickinson not joined.

Not just from the standpoint of the vocals but also the songwriting, I think a lot of Iron Maiden's best songs in that 82-86 period were the ones written by Dickinson & Smith rather than Steve Harris.

The Batlord 02-12-2015 06:58 AM

Didn't we have this discussion in 1987?

Plankton 02-12-2015 07:06 AM

Would IM have become what they are now had Di Anno stayed with the band? No, certainly not. But, I do feel the songwriting would have become stronger coming from the foundation of what they built with Di Anno, and that in itself could have been an amazing thing. On the other hand, Bruce took them to arena status being one of the most powerful vocal voices of metal on the planet. They did veer off into mediocrity after they hit stride though, and Bruce's vocals started to become a bit like nails on a chalkboard, and seemingly forced and strained, but that will come with age for most people. When I weigh in all the facts, I have to go with Bruce, just because the scales tip in his favor just slightly with longevity being the extra weight, and speculation holds no weight at all.

Key 02-12-2015 08:39 AM

Bruce, because the operatic vocals help the band a lot. Yes, Bruce does have operatic vocals, TH. I know you disagree.

Mojo 02-12-2015 12:27 PM

Well Maiden with Di'Anno and Maiden with Dickinson are essentially two different bands. Di'Anno gets a lot of stick and if it were all exclusively for being a **** then I'd be fine with it but 'Iron Maiden' and 'Killers' are great records and I think they wrote a lot of their best songs with Di'Anno in the band.

That being said, I just think Bruce is the better singer, the better frontman, the better person and generally speaking there is no comparison. Bruce 100%.

FRED HALE SR. 02-12-2015 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 1550650)
Well Maiden with Di'Anno and Maiden with Dickinson are essentially two different bands. Di'Anno gets a lot of stick and if it were all exclusively for being a **** then I'd be fine with it but 'Iron Maiden' and 'Killers' are great records and I think they wrote a lot of their best songs with Di'Anno in the band.

That being said, I just think Bruce is the better singer, the better frontman, the better person and generally speaking there is no comparison. Bruce 100%.

Damn you Mojo I just drew Di Anno even with that lil prissy pilot. :soapbox:

The Batlord 02-12-2015 12:53 PM

I love both bands, but they'd gone as far as they could with Paul. They were really able to spread their wings under Bruce in a way that a more limited vocalist like Di'Anno simply wouldn't have allowed. Paul could never in a million years have sung "Aces High", "Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner", or "Hallowed By thy Name".

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-12-2015 01:14 PM

I can imagine Di anno singing some of the Number Of The Beast album.

Maybe not Hallowed Be Thy Name, Children of the Damned or Run To The Hills but definitely stuff like Number Of The Beast, The Prisoner, 22 Acacia Avenue and the rest of the album.

Frownland 02-12-2015 01:16 PM

Bruce is a better vocalist (we're on a first name basis, btw), he's got a lot more range and he brought a lot of influence to metal vocals, even if a lot of his copycats/devotees annoy the fuck out of me. Plus I prefer the Bruce Maiden to the original outfit. I do think that Phantom of the Opera and Iron Maiden are some of their best tracks though.

Trollheart 02-12-2015 01:19 PM

Pretty much the same. I have a lot of respect for Di'Anno on the early albums, and some of the early stuff Bruce does (as I noted in the live reviews on Justin's "Devil's Dancefloor") just don't sound the same when sung by him. I mean, only Di'Anno can put the psychotic terror into a song like "Killers", or even tone it back to almost ballad land on "Prodigal son". And I think he definitely does "Phantom" justice. But like people here say, had he not been replaced it's probably unlikely Maiden would have become as big as they did. It's hard to equate them with any other band, and I know Sabbath were wildly successful with Ozzy, so the comparison doesn't really stand, but when Dio joined they went in a different, more progressive direction with a lot more melody driving the songs and a shift away from (ahem) satanic styled lyrics. They almost became another band.

Dickinson brought Iron Maiden to the attention of the world, and they had their biggest hit singles and most successful albums with him. In the footage I've seen of Di'Anno live, he just doesn't seem to be feeling it, and he's almost angry with the audience, almost as if he's up there playing despite them, not because of them, as if he has something to prove. Bruce tends to embrace the audience more (not literally, as that would be gay) and draw them in, with shouts like "Scream for me [insert city here]" and so on. He's definitely a better frontman. Even having left Maiden, Di'Anno still doesn't seem to have the stage presence Bruce has.

And I bet he can't fly a 767! ;)

The Batlord 02-12-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1550700)
Bruce is a better vocalist (we're on a first name basis, btw), he's got a lot more range and he brought a lot of influence to metal vocals, even if a lot of his copycats/devotees annoy the fuck out of me. Plus I prefer the Bruce Maiden to the original outfit. I do think that Phantom of the Opera and Iron Maiden are some of their best tracks though.

Is that all? He let's me call him Bruce Bruce.

Frownland 02-12-2015 01:53 PM

Well he lets me call him Bruce. He usually calls me 'get the fuck out of my house.'

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-12-2015 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1550701)
In the footage I've seen of Di'Anno live, he just doesn't seem to be feeling it, and he's almost angry with the audience, almost as if he's up there playing despite them, not because of them, as if he has something to prove. Bruce tends to embrace the audience more (not literally, as that would be gay) and draw them in, with shouts like "Scream for me [insert city here]" and so on. He's definitely a better frontman.

I disagree with this. I've heard hundreds of Maiden bootlegs with both men and I see it like this.

Dickinson's between song patter is rehearsed and especially catered for big arena shows and him being the showman. You hear him do several gigs and you realise nothing he says is spontaneous as he says the same thing night after night.
Not always, but quite a lot of the time.

Di Anno was more like a fan who was on stage and spoke to the audience on their own level, I guess because they were playing clubs for most of his tenure in the band. For example I remember one gig he introduced Innocent Exile (I think) by saying it's his favourite song off the Killers album. I've heard him sing this song loads of time live but can only remember hearing him saying it that one time, and that's typical of the stuff he would say between songs. I don't think I ever heard him repeat anything.

Trollheart 02-12-2015 03:31 PM

Well in fairness I've seen little of Di'Anno's live performances, so will certainly bow to your greater experience there. Actually, I've only seen Maiden the once. Oh the shame!

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-12-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1550764)
Well in fairness I've seen little of Di'Anno's live performances, so will certainly bow to your greater experience there. Actually, I've only seen Maiden the once. Oh the shame!

Could send you the full gig that the Maiden Japan E.P. was recorded from if you like.

Trollheart 02-12-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1550812)
Could send you the full gig that the Maiden Japan E.P. was recorded from if you like.

That would be great, but I've so much on at the moment I don't know when I could say I'd get a chance to listen to it. So many Waits albums and Star Trek episodes....

William_the_Bloody 02-12-2015 06:02 PM

Bruce

Unknown Soldier 02-13-2015 03:57 PM

Blaze trumps 'em both.

Bishie 02-14-2015 09:57 PM

I'm a big Maiden fan and overall Bruce is the far better vocalist. But in terms of my preferences I like Paul's work with them. He just has a gruff and an edge to his voice that Bruce doesn't. Like I said Bruce is still the far better vocalist though.

Frownland 02-19-2015 09:31 PM

At least Paul doesn't have cancer.

The Batlord 02-19-2015 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1554383)
At least Paul doesn't have cancer.

wut

Frownland 02-19-2015 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1554384)
wut

Yer boi has a tumor on his tongue.

The Batlord 02-19-2015 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1554386)
Yer boi has a tumor on his tongue.

"The Tumor"

You'll take my life
But I'll take yours too
They'll give me chemo
I'll lose my hairdo

Mondo Bungle 02-19-2015 10:45 PM

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Just before Christmas, Maiden vocalist Bruce Dickinson visited his doctor for a routine check-up. This led to tests and biopsies which revealed a small cancerous tumour at the back of his tongue. A seven week course of chemotherapy and radiology treatment was completed yesterday. As the tumour was caught in the early stages, the prognosis thankfully is extremely good. Bruce’s medical team fully expect him to make a complete recovery with the all clear envisaged by late May. It will then take a further few months for Bruce to get back to full fitness. In the meantime we would ask for your patience, understanding and respect for Bruce and his family’s privacy until we update everyone by the end of May. Bruce is doing very well considering the circumstances and the whole team are very positive.
I'm sure he's chillin

Trollheart 02-20-2015 05:23 AM


Seriously though, wish him all the best and hope he makes a full recovery.

GrapeApe 03-01-2015 02:35 AM

I'm in love with Bruce, so I am partial. Plus I think his showmanship is superior along with his operatic vocals.

Hypocrisy 03-08-2015 06:02 PM

Blaze Bayley..... NOT

Bruce Dickenson is by far the better vocalist of the three though i certainly do get the appeal of the first two awesome releases. Bayley on the other hand was a terrible replacement and the lack of enthusiasm from the band is also apparent on those two albums.

Trollheart 03-09-2015 06:49 AM

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