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William_the_Bloody 06-13-2015 02:42 AM

Soaked in Bleach (Kirk Cobain)
 
Normally I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I always felt that this one had some compelling evidence, so with release of Soaked in Bleach, I thought I would throw it out there....thoughts?


grindy 06-13-2015 04:20 AM

Why "Kirk"? Did I miss something?

William_the_Bloody 06-13-2015 09:26 AM

Just a brain fart in making the title, Unfortunately I can't edit it.

It would be interesting to hear the thoughts of those who believe the speculation and why, otherwise the thread can sink.

permalink 06-16-2015 11:57 AM

wat ?

Lisnaholic 06-16-2015 04:06 PM

This is an intriguing, completely new idea to me, William, so I had a look on good old Wikipedia. I was surprised to see that this conspiracy theory has been around at least since 1998, when a documentary called Kurt & Courtney was made: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_%26_Courtney
Most startling witness for the prosecution (of Courtney Love):

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Hank Harrison, Courtney Love's father, is interviewed, and states he also believes that Cobain may have been killed in a conspiracy organised by Love. He has written two books about Cobain's death.
Have you seen the movie or the documentary William?

William_the_Bloody 06-16-2015 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1602634)
This is an intriguing, completely new idea to me, William, so I had a look on good old Wikipedia. I was surprised to see that this conspiracy theory has been around at least since 1998, when a documentary called Kurt & Courtney was made: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_%26_Courtney
Most startling witness for the prosecution (of Courtney Love):
Have you seen the movie or the documentary William?

No I haven't seen it yet. I'm not sure if I will to be honest but...

The theory has been around since the death of Kurt Cobain, largely as a result of Tom Grant, the private investigator who was hired by Courtney Love to find Kurt Cobain when he went missing

Tom Grant believes she had him offed, so I guess a large part of the theory rests on whether you think he is a legit guy or a total pinhead.

There are a lot of strange coincidences surrounding the case like the passing of El Duce, but it could all be random probability. Still its fun to speculate lol.

GuD 06-17-2015 12:52 AM

I remember talking about this with other fans when I first started listening to Nirvana. Seems like a bunch of fluff to me, especially the documentary trailer. I highly doubt Love would kill Cobain. But, I could see the appeal in faking one's death in order to get away from the spotlight. Especially Kurt, who obviously hated being famous.

permalink 06-17-2015 02:29 AM

Documentary blows this out of proportion in my opinion

William_the_Bloody 06-17-2015 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by permalink (Post 1602726)
Documentary blows this out of proportion in my opinion

Well I haven't seen the documentary, and so people don't get the wrong idea, I myself don't believe that Courtney had Kurt knocked off.

However, unlike other conspiracy theories (911 inside job ect) I do think this one falls into the realm of possibility.

Both Kurt's ex grandfather and Courtney Love's dad believe that she was somehow involved in his demise. The former police chief of Seattle has also stated that the case should be re-opened.

So to be honest, I just find the whole thing kind of interesting, like a detective novel.


Lisnaholic 06-21-2015 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody (Post 1603009)
So to be honest, I just find the whole thing kind of interesting, like a detective novel.

^ Exactly how I feel about it too, and as you say it seems to be within the realms of possibility.

More opinions, just in case you've missed this one on Youtube:-


William_the_Bloody 06-21-2015 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1604568)
^ Exactly how I feel about it too, and as you say it seems to be within the realms of possibility.

More opinions, just in case you've missed this one on Youtube:-


Ah good stuff, yes were not saying that she did it, were simply engaging in fun speculation based on the facts.

That was interesting, I had heard of the handwriting before but never looked into it. So fact...

Courtney Love accidently leaves her backpack at her attorneys office for the week shortly before Cobain is found dead.

The attorney breaks client confidentiality with a private investigator after discovering two suspicious notes in the backpack, one which shows Courtney practicing her handwriting.

The handwriting practice letter eerily appears (at least on the video you posted) to line up with the last sentences off Kurt Cobain suicide note where the writing looks different from the rest of his note.

Wikepedia also states that Rosemary Carroll claimed that Kurt was planning to cut Courtney out of her will in preparation to proceed with a divorce. (Though I have not followed up on the primary evidence for this) One might also ask why does a grown woman need to practice her handwriting?

Again this could all be nothing more than random probability, but I think this is a job for Columbo, lol!

Wharrior 07-30-2015 09:13 AM

I had never really bought into the "Kurt Cobain was murdered" theory. However, there were some huge question marks brought up in that movie and whatever the reasons for it, Courtney's behaviour around that time was deeply suspicious. One example that I find particularly strange; why not say to Tom Grant (the Private investigator) that her friend had seen Kurt only days before instead of saying no one had seen or heard from him since rehab??

I certainly agree with the above point. If the police were at all competent, I definitely think that it would have merited a strong conversation as to why Courtney Love was practicing her handwriting!

However, I also just recently watched Montage of Heck which was kind of eye opening at how vain and self obsessed both Kurt and Courtney were, so I also think that all the confusion and suspicious behaviour by Courtney is potentially just her clumsy attempt to engender public sympathy and to be seen as a tragic grieving widow that had been extremely hard done by.

Apart from some deathbed confession or something though, I doubt we'll ever be fully sure of it all. It is very intriguing though!

Evenstar 08-08-2015 09:21 AM

I've heard it said for a long time that its highly unlikely anyone would want to kill themselves whilst high on heroin. I subscribe to this theory

Wharrior 08-08-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Evenstar (Post 1623386)
I've heard it said for a long time that its highly unlikely anyone would want to kill themselves whilst high on heroin. I subscribe to this theory

Even more interesting on that note is that in the documentary one of the interviewed doctors says that the actual amount of heroin in Kurt's body was approximately 3 times the lethal dosage (for a heroin addict).
Kinda hard to be sure about that of course, but another talking point nonetheless.

Sandertg 08-31-2015 07:43 AM

Although I don't care for acting-reenactment by Hollywood standards in documentaries, this trailer made me curious. Hopefully this will be better than Kurt & Courtney.


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