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MicShazam 07-27-2018 12:00 PM

I'm not going to try and trace the lines around this when people's posted tracks so far demonstrate that they do actually know what I mean.

Key 07-27-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1980883)
I can't think of a single metal band that isn't largely melodic tbh.

So then we basically just post any metal band that is melodic? Sounds easy enough. Though there's a lot.

MicShazam 07-27-2018 12:07 PM

The OP says no harsh vocals.

I could have said "only power metal, trad metal, heavy metal and harsh-vocal-free prog and folk metal", but that would exclude a lot of interesting outlier bands.

Most metal bands care more about repeating rhythmic models and variations than any melodic development worth noting, for that matter.

Key 07-27-2018 12:08 PM

Ok. Well it's a vague term so as long as it has clean vocals, it's good? Because like I asked, doesn't melodic meta focus more on riffs?

MicShazam 07-27-2018 12:16 PM

Metal as a genre is pretty focused on riffs of course, but some bands have vastly more melodic riffs and lead guitar playing than others.

Melodic death metal is a funny genre. It's got more of a focus on memorable melodies than death metal, obviously, but it's usually still got rhythmic and simplistic grunted vocals and a tendency to repeat melodies in short sections so they really end up feeling like short little riffs. So when I say melodic development, I mean melodies that progress over longer sections instead of just repeating every 4 seconds in the form of a riff.

Metal does this a lot. Repeating ideas in little chunks. Typically 4 times in a row. Then do another chunk. It's the basis of thrash metal songwriting, but lots of other metal genres - even prog metal - tends to do it a lot. The way I think of it, that makes a band less melodic, since they go for instant repetition of a theme instead of development.

I don't have the proper terminology down quite right to really express fully what I mean.

Frownland 07-27-2018 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1980894)
Metal as a genre is pretty focused on riffs of course, but some bands have vastly more melodic riffs and lead guitar playing than others.

Riffs are inherently melodic unless they're playing one note.

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Metal does this a lot. Repeating ideas in little chunks. Typically 4 times in a row. Then do another chunk. It's the basis of thrash metal songwriting, but lots of other metal genres - even prog metal - tends to do it a lot. The way I think of it, that makes a band less melodic, since they go for instant repetition of a theme instead of development.
Repetition doesn't make something less melodic lol. I don't even think you understand what the word really means. It's just a succession of notes, even dissonant stuff counts. The thing that makes some metal bands "less melodic" is muddled production.

Key 07-27-2018 01:11 PM

It worries me when Frown and I are on the same page.

The Batlord 07-27-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1980932)
It worries me when Frown and I are on the same page.

Technically Frown, you, Mic, and now I are all on the same page. More to follow presumably.

MicShazam 07-27-2018 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1980919)
Riffs are inherently melodic unless they're playing one note.



Repetition doesn't make something less melodic lol. I don't even think you understand what the word really means. It's just a succession of notes, even dissonant stuff counts. The thing that makes some metal bands "less melodic" is muddled production.

Anal dial set to 10.

Frownland 07-27-2018 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1980951)
Anal dial set to 10.

It's been a longtime pet peeve of mine. Refer back to my comment about harmonic metal.


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