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ExZardoz 08-11-2022 09:47 AM

Punk and Metal political differences
 
Because it's a seemingly obvious question, the fact is that I think the difference between the two mindsets is actually quite big, and maybe that's good.
I think most metal artists tend to condemn less people who demonstrate a different political opinion, I mean, I've never seen Dave Mustaine punch someone because he thinks getting vaccinated is normal, and even Dave Grohl accepts republicans on his shows, And then there's Hetfield who made it clear that metallica doesn't care who you voted for, Henry Rollins demonstrates a very different behavior
The average Leftist can pretty much enjoy the sound of metal, when instead approaching the punk rock that it is inherently political Is Like "More painful".

And someone will probably say that music must necessarily have some ****ing political content, that it is somehow something that must necessarily be liked AND INSEPARABLE from music, don't you think that someone can also not be like political rants and be anyway a good person? it seems to me that this concept of the coexistence of music and politics seems to be a Western thing only, it seems to me that Japanese artists, for example, ignore politics.

Maybe it's just me, but compared to past times Music, movies, books, art in general condemned the right less,
It Just Seen that music industry Is a left wing Thing, and everytime i want to listen Something It makes me feel uncomfortable because you Can't really have a different Opinion and listening to punk

Exo 08-11-2022 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ExZardoz (Post 2214158)
Because it's a seemingly obvious question, the fact is that I think the difference between the two mindsets is actually quite big, and maybe that's good.

If I was your English teacher, I would have failed your ass.

The Batlord 08-11-2022 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2214164)
If I was your English teacher, I would have failed your ass.

Cause your dick was too small?

ExZardoz 08-11-2022 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2214164)
If I was your English teacher, I would have failed your ass.

No criticisms other than my grammatical errors? Cool
Sorry for my bad english btw

TheBig3 08-11-2022 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ExZardoz (Post 2214158)
Because it's a seemingly obvious question, the fact is that I think the difference between the two mindsets is actually quite big, and maybe that's good.
I think most metal artists tend to condemn less people who demonstrate a different political opinion, I mean, I've never seen Dave Mustaine punch someone because he thinks getting vaccinated is normal, and even Dave Grohl accepts republicans on his shows, And then there's Hetfield who made it clear that metallica doesn't care who you voted for, Henry Rollins demonstrates a very different behavior
The average Leftist can pretty much enjoy the sound of metal, when instead approaching the punk rock that it is inherently political Is Like "More painful".

And someone will probably say that music must necessarily have some ****ing political content, that it is somehow something that must necessarily be liked AND INSEPARABLE from music, don't you think that someone can also not be like political rants and be anyway a good person? it seems to me that this concept of the coexistence of music and politics seems to be a Western thing only, it seems to me that Japanese artists, for example, ignore politics.

Maybe it's just me, but compared to past times Music, movies, books, art in general condemned the right less,
It Just Seen that music industry Is a left wing Thing, and everytime i want to listen Something It makes me feel uncomfortable because you Can't really have a different Opinion and listening to punk

Punk doesn't really offer much besides just lashing out and screaming. There's some aesthetic appeal to not being able to play your instruments because to learn music theory is somehow classist. Punks tend to exemplify the Dunning-Kruger effect. They know something about politics, and that makes them think they understand everything, and in their infinite wisdom, they've made the sage determination that the whole system should be burned down.

The difference between a punk band and people who make music is the ability to read and a months worth of therapy. Mind you, I like some of the punk I've come across, but I mostly wrote this because the players on this forum love to attack someone elses position without taking one of their own. And I thought I'd give them something to chew on for a week.

ExZardoz 08-11-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2214170)
Punk doesn't really offer much besides just lashing out and screaming. There's some aesthetic appeal to not being able to play your instruments because to learn music theory is somehow classist. Punks tend to exemplify the Dunning-Kruger effect. They know something about politics, and that makes them think they understand everything, and in their infinite wisdom, they've made the sage determination that the whole system should be burned down.

The difference between a punk band and people who make music is the ability to read and a months worth of therapy. Mind you, I like some of the punk I've come across, but I mostly wrote this because the players on this forum love to attack someone elses position without taking one of their own. And I thought I'd give them something to chew on for a week.

i 100% agree
better this forum than Reddit tho :D

Carpe Mortem 08-11-2022 08:06 PM

I agree. Without getting political, and admitting that I don't associate with as many people anymore - every punk fan I've known has been anarchist or major leftist leaning. They also all had some sort of major malfunction which would necessitate dependence on the state eventually, or a yearning to have someone else pay for and take care of them. Naturally, if they can't acquire their own wealth and believe the acquisition of wealth is somehow bad - they would expect to use somebody else's until that utopia finally gets built. Or pool their resources together, because that's how humans should live.

Meanwhile most of the metalheads I know seem to lean libertarian or republican. Could be because I tend towards metal genres that have more people of a higher age demographic though - 'boomers'. And people tend to lean more right wing as they get older or become more successful in life, especially if they had zero handouts or assistance getting there. They want to protect what they've worked so hard for and care less for changing the world.

There's obvious friction between these two viewpoints. I guess it's obvious where I fall and I apologize to all the loser punks that I view you that way. No, you can't borrow any money.

There's always exceptions, of course. But you're right, many subgenres at least tend to attract people of similar political viewpoints.

The Batlord 08-12-2022 01:10 AM

Plenty of punks are edgy dip****s but plenty of metalheads are man children who have a simplistic view of politics because they never mentally or emotionally developed past high school, the peak libertarian years.

Guybrush 08-12-2022 01:42 AM

I don't have too much to add about the politics part because I don't wanna make sweeping judgments about all punkers or all metalheads and I kinda feel like the setting for this scenario is american culture which I don't know intimately in any case. But now that I've crossed into the 40s, similarly aged men sporting a colorful mohawk or covering their fat bellies with black, evil metal t-shirts, well. It does scream loser.

So I guess that either way, it's something you should grow out of and perhaps that also goes for any associated political views.

Frownland 08-12-2022 02:13 AM

Metal was a dominant force in mainstream music for a long time, so those who became metalheads during that time tend to reflect other hegemonic norms of the time, which includes conservatism. We're seeing metal lose its relevance, so there's also the nostalgic losers pining for the status quo of the past taking up a big part of the metalhead demographic, and that mindset is integral to conservatism. With the younger crowd, metal's tendency toward hypermasculinity coincides with neofascist strongman rhetoric so you see a great deal of conservative listeners there as well.

Punk's largely being in the underground after its first wave explosion combined with its general philosophy of acceptance and freedom would attract less publicly accepted views like leftism.

With all that said, they're both so diverse now that those trends aren't so distinct. Metal's got hella leftists and punk's got its own brand of blind reactionaries.

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem (Post 2214186)
anarchist[s...] necessitate dependence on the state eventually, or a yearning to have someone else pay for and take care of them.

Yeah that's literally the opposite of anarchism. Those benefiting from the status quo are dependent on the working class to pay for it and government protection of that dynamic, so you might be confusing anarchists with liberal centrists attempting half-measure reforms because they're more concerned with performative activism than actual change.


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